RE: How to keep a wheelie up?
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RE: How to keep a wheelie up? - 7/26/2007 10:32:23 PM
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jwp6114
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cool, i dont get as much time to ride for plesure here lately, buying a house and working 60-80 hours a week.
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RE: How to keep a wheelie up? - 7/27/2007 6:27:22 AM
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eekenterprises
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how quickly will this wear out a clutch? im on an 04 1000RR and i have no problem powering it up in 1st and clutching it up in second. second is much cmoother but at highway speeds 70-90mph. a bit fast i would like to know how to ballance in first a little better. and any tips on getting fomfortable with stand ups' i only do sit downs. and how do you steer a wheelie? lots of q's.
Nothing will get you more comfortable or better than finding a killer practice spot where you are not driving anyone nuts with clutch up sounds and practice. Don't worry about your clutch, it will last it is a honda, and if it breaks you can just upgrade to a heavy duty, should be a heavy duty as is. Definately slow it down, get used to clutching it up in first more and before you know it you will be doing stand ups without any effort naturally.
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RE: How to keep a wheelie up? - 7/27/2007 6:35:19 AM
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civiksi
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ORIGINAL: jwp6114
how quickly will this wear out a clutch? im on an 04 1000RR and i have no problem powering it up in 1st and clutching it up in second. second is much cmoother but at highway speeds 70-90mph. a bit fast i would like to know how to ballance in first a little better. and any tips on getting fomfortable with stand ups' i only do sit downs. and how do you steer a wheelie? lots of q's.
Nothing will get you more comfortable or better than finding a killer practice spot where you are not driving anyone nuts with clutch up sounds and practice. Don't worry about your clutch, it will last it is a honda, and if it breaks you can just upgrade to a heavy duty, should be a heavy duty as is. Definately slow it down, get used to clutching it up in first more and before you know it you will be doing stand ups without any effort naturally.
+1 on findin a spot. It took me a while to get it down just tryin to occaisionally do them on streets. I found a spot where I could practice for a solid couple hours on Sundays. After just two or 3 sundays I got this shit down now. Can pop em and ride them in 3rd gear now. It took me a real long time to find a spot but trust me that should be priority one. Priority 2-practice there as often as you can.
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RE: How to keep a wheelie up? - 7/29/2007 1:07:44 PM
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Fill your front tire with helium... That's what I do. 
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RE: How to keep a wheelie up? - 8/16/2007 6:38:46 PM
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Daffy472
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Please answer someone, can't lift the damn thing up even at 1st gear (f4i).
When I pull the clutch, should I disengage it completely or just to keep it semi-engaged? After that when I rev it up and ready to release the clutch, should I continue accelerating during releasing it or keep the gas steady? At which point it should come up - after I released the clutch completely or in process of releasing it? How to release the clutch - fast or slowly (slower than during regular gear switching?)?
I have read all damn tutorials and watched all damn wheelie movies on the internet - it didn't help  All tutorials say for begining just pull the clutch, rev it up, and release the clutch and it should "easily" come up. Not in my case - it just jerks.
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RE: How to keep a wheelie up? - 8/16/2007 11:56:55 PM
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Vermino
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Please answer someone, can't lift the damn thing up even at 1st gear (f4i).
When I pull the clutch, should I disengage it completely or just to keep it semi-engaged? After that when I rev it up and ready to release the clutch, should I continue accelerating during releasing it or keep the gas steady? At which point it should come up - after I released the clutch completely or in process of releasing it? How to release the clutch - fast or slowly (slower than during regular gear switching?)?
I have read all damn tutorials and watched all damn wheelie movies on the internet - it didn't help All tutorials say for begining just pull the clutch, rev it up, and release the clutch and it should "easily" come up. Not in my case - it just jerks.
haha now you want to pop a wheelie.. well got to be comfortable with your bike (i think you said you had 10Kmiles on it already) i got mine up around 6Kmiles..
pretty much find your sweet spot on your clutch (where it just at the tresh-hole of engaging and disengaging) in first gear, keep it around 15mph and then keep it in your sweet spot - throttle it 1Krpm then let it engage to feel it pop it up a bit.. now keep adding 1Krpm more everytime till the front wheel comes off the ground.. this will make sure you dont over-due it the first time (it's better to be safe then sorry). BP (or Balance point) will all determined on how big you are, your position, and the bike.. but the closer you are to BP, the less amount of RPM's you have to give the bike to keep it off it's front wheel. with the clutch itself, you pretty much let it go fast (dont just dump it...) if you just ease off it, the bike will not get off it's front tire..
also you dont want to look at the RPM's much - you just want to feel and hear the bike out, not have to look at it. I still do myself but oh well, gotta stop soon.
if you want, you can do power wheelies - they are unsafe but gives you a feel for what a wheelie feels like.. once again, it's uncontrolled and you will only be able to do it at a small range of MPH/RPM - (mine is 35mph and 5.5RPM first gear) but like everywhere you hear about power wheelies, they are dangerous and are uncontrolable
remember when doing any type of wheelie, do it on a closed road or private property with gear on - and always have your foot ready for the rear brake just in case.. and dont make yourself do it, it takes more then just an hour to pop a wheelie - take your time, you got the rest of your life to learn..
but i've seen F2 and F3's pop wheelies, so an F4i is pretty easy..
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Fill your front tire with helium... That's what I do.
actually you can let alittle PSI out of the rear tire for more grip - which will make it alittle easier to get that front tire up. A sprocket change will also help alot out with popping a wheelie up pretty fast - if you havent done one.. look for 520 conversion or
-1/+2 topic and you should find some good information.. but all in all, that bike will come up pretty easy as is - just practice and dont over-due it man..
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RE: How to keep a wheelie up? - 8/17/2007 8:45:44 AM
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Daffy472
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I have feeling that to do wheelies you need to be rather big guy - it's your weight that flips the bike, isn't it? I'm on skiny side, it's probably my problem.
So you are saying that even if I rev it up by +1k the wheel should come up? Yesterday I tried everything - from 5k till 14k with or without clutch - it doesn't come up, and I reved it up as much as +6k and still nothing. Should I open gas completely for that?
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RE: How to keep a wheelie up? - 8/17/2007 9:39:31 AM
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DDCavi
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Its all you, but its not because of your weight.
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RE: How to keep a wheelie up? - 8/17/2007 11:19:48 AM
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Vermino
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it's not your weight - i'm 132lbs and even a 300lbs man could still flip that bike if he f**ed up (or wanted to i guess haha). i was saying rev it 1K+ each time to figure out where your sweet spot is and teach you how to work the clutch for wheelies, your going to lurch yourself alot of times - usually your at around 4-5Krpm's and to pop the wheelies it's about 10-12Krpm's.. so yeah it's not just going to be 6Krpm's and think it will come up, but i was just trying to let you take it easy.. just practice, but never over-due it.. make sure you have frame sliders on your bike too just in case..
it does take 10% throttle and 90% balls.. i know when i get my wheel up, first thing i do is "holy shit i think im over BP" and let go of the gas.. yes, i'm a vagina..
so you can be coasting aroudn 4-5Krpm then hit the sweet spot rev it up 1K (so it will be 6Krpm's) then drop the clutch fast, no wheelie - ok get back to 4-5Krpm's then hit the sweet spot and rev it 2K (so 7Krpm's) till so on and so on.. till you get that wheel up.. it's just to get your comfortable with using your sweet spot clutch and revving it.
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RE: How to keep a wheelie up? - 8/17/2007 5:02:54 PM
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wellarmedCr@cker
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I have feeling that to do wheelies you need to be rather big guy - it's your weight that flips the bike, isn't it? I'm on skiny side, it's probably my problem.
So you are saying that even if I rev it up by +1k the wheel should come up? Yesterday I tried everything - from 5k till 14k with or without clutch - it doesn't come up, and I reved it up as much as +6k and still nothing. Should I open gas completely for that?
How long have you been riding? Get the basics down and get some experience under your belt before trying wheelies. I rode for 7 years (I'm a puss) before trying wheelies. Once I got the basics it seems EZ. If your having that hard of a time maybe you should slow it down before you wad your shit up, damn I'm sounding like my old man. Oh yeah, I'm 230lbs and I'm on a 05 600RR.
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RE: How to keep a wheelie up? - 8/17/2007 11:12:02 PM
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Daffy472
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Well I am riding for 3 months, but every evening and don't return home until get at least 60 miles 
So today after half an hour trying and reving like crazy I think I managed to lift it by 1 inch or so without clutch at 1st gear doing around 11k rpm, opened throttle on 90% though - isn't it too much? How much throttle do you give it?
Well, at least some progress... 
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