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-2,+1..bad for a beginner? - 7/26/2007 12:38:13 AM

KasiNovaH

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so my new bike has the lower gear ratio and i was wondering if you guys think its a mistake to learn with it like this, or if it really even makes that much of a difference, ive only ridden for a few mins and the low is pretty torquey but i dont think its anything that i couldnt get used to..

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RE: -2,+1..bad for a beginner? - 7/26/2007 6:20:49 AM

KidCr3nshaw

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No - you can get used to it fine - but it's going to be a wheelie spittin' sunsabitch. The F4 is front-light already, dropping two in the front and adding one in the rear? Gonna be worse than an F4i.

Again - nothing you can't learn on, but the bike will be a lot less forgiving if/when you make a mistake while cornering/turning.

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RE: -2,+1..bad for a beginner? - 7/26/2007 9:03:30 AM

MikeMirage

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That "going to be worse than an f4i thing" is stupid. The f4i makes only a few more horsepower.

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RE: -2,+1..bad for a beginner? - 7/26/2007 10:06:36 AM

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It will make your gears run a little higher per mph etc, and may kill a few of your gas mileage points, but really I think all bikes should come from the factory this way, it works so well...

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RE: -2,+1..bad for a beginner? - 7/26/2007 10:39:34 AM

KidCr3nshaw

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MikeMirage

That "going to be worse than an f4i thing" is stupid. The f4i makes only a few more horsepower.

Listen bitch I was refering to the fact that the size of the rear sprocket makes it easy for the mid-range and powerband to lift the front ****ing wheel.

If you'd read the goddamned post you'd ****ing know that. I'm so sick of you ignorant bitches calling someone stupid or putting someone down as a result of your own inability to read the written English language.

Now piss off and wad your bike up then write some unimportant farewell post in the Off-Topic section.

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RE: -2,+1..bad for a beginner? - 7/26/2007 11:42:51 AM

MikeMirage

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Like I was explainign to your retarded ass our bikes are reletively the SAME as the f4i already. Any changed made is the same as making it on the f4i. There is no such thing as being "wrose than the f4i". You are a god damn moron.

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RE: -2,+1..bad for a beginner? - 7/26/2007 12:11:12 PM

civiksi

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I understood it. F4i's are wheelie machines. ANYWAY. I just put my sprockets on like 2 weeks ago. I went -1 +3 and I absolutely love it. Accelerates better and wheelie wise, its worse than an F4i.

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RE: -2,+1..bad for a beginner? - 7/26/2007 12:36:24 PM

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Back to the thread for a new rider I would not suggest this sprocket combination. As said before the bike will be wheelie happy as all hell. Being a new rider you need to learn throttle control and what not before attempting to control a wheelie happy bike. I personally would take the bike back to either the stock size sprockets or just go down on tooth on the front. Keep in mind that -1 tooth in the front equal roughly +3 teeth in the back.

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RE: -2,+1..bad for a beginner? - 7/26/2007 1:27:02 PM

MikeMirage

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THE F4 IS VIRTUALLY THE SAME AS THE F4I SO IF THE F4I IS A WHEELIE MACHINE SO IS THE F4.

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RE: -2,+1..bad for a beginner? - 7/26/2007 4:10:11 PM

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Well this might not exactly apply to me since I've been riding since I was 6 (well mostly dirtbikes but thats beside the point). However my 2000 F4 is my first street bike. I bought it with all the original stuff on it (chain/sprockets etc...). As of this summer I went to a 520 conversion with a new chain and a JT sprocket set where my front has one less tooth and the rear has three more. I put about 2500 miles on the old set up and about 2000 now on the new. It is a noticable difference, especially at the low end. You will loose top end, but who needs to do 160 mph anyways??? I like the grunt it gives at the low end and the fact that pulling up the front wheel comes with ease. The only problem is that the speedo is off and the mileage isn't correct, but a speedo healer can fix that. I don't think the difference is extreme, but I would wait awhile to change your gearing. Get used to the stock set up at first and then do a possible conversion after that.

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RE: -2,+1..bad for a beginner? - 7/26/2007 6:18:37 PM

KidCr3nshaw

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MikeMirage

THE F4 IS VIRTUALLY THE SAME AS THE F4I SO IF THE F4I IS A WHEELIE MACHINE SO IS THE F4.

No kidding dumbass - that's what I've/we/everyone been saying. Stock gearing F4: 15/45. Stock gearing F4i: 16/46.

Guess what? The F4 is a wheelie popper. The F4i is a little more exaggerated in the midrange about it because of the larger sprockets.

IT IS LESS FORGIVING WHEN IN THE MID-RANGE AND POWERBAND WITH LARGER SPROCKETS.

Now would you shut the hell up, the adults are talking.

As for the original poster, when it's all said and done, you'll be fine riding the thing around with your larger sprockets. The only thing to remember, is that when you're in the powerband or in the bikes midrange - it will be less forgiving if/when you make a mistake. Just keep that in the back of your mind.

I swear to god some people will argue with you just for the sake of arguing even though they are saying the same thing. You sound like my gawddamned girlfriend - at least she gives me head before the backtalking...

bitch.

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RE: -2,+1..bad for a beginner? - 7/27/2007 12:08:00 AM

JimmieDon

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Lol. I don't want to be an ass but it's funny to see 600 guys argue about the wheelie machines. Get on a 1k if you want to see real power.

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RE: -2,+1..bad for a beginner? - 7/27/2007 6:09:52 AM

civiksi

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Stock gearing for an F4 is 16 in the front. And the fuel injection is crisper with throttle response

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RE: -2,+1..bad for a beginner? - 7/27/2007 6:17:21 AM

KidCr3nshaw

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Yep, my typo. I've had an F3 for a bit so I'm used to that 15 up front.

Anyway, yeah I've ridden my buddies 06 1000RR and it's ridiculous. Roll on wheelies in 4th and 5th.

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RE: -2,+1..bad for a beginner? - 7/27/2007 9:52:59 AM

MikeMirage

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quote:

ORIGINAL: civiksi

Stock gearing for an F4 is 16 in the front. And the fuel injection is crisper with throttle response

Everyone will tell you properly tuned carbs are way "crisper" than fuel injection.

Also, that 16 in the front does the opposite of give you a more exaggerated midrange. SO once again you are wrong and you are giving out advice that is stupid. So now I think it is time for you to give me head KidCr3nshaw because you are a flaming homosexual. ALos, please step outside while those with knowledge talk.

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