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RE: Whats so wrong with power wheelies? - 9/29/2007 5:54:13 AM

Err

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ORIGINAL: slimmyslim1420

When you clutch a wheelie do you just kind pull and release the clutch while keeping steady throttle? With the pull and release being a fairly quick motion? Or when you pull the clutch do you give it a little more throttle right before you pop it out? Are you trying to pop the clutch, or trying to avoid popping it?

do what twista said in a empty parking lot, do it as many times as you possibly can. when first learning this shit, repitition is key. imo...

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RE: Whats so wrong with power wheelies? - 9/29/2007 6:38:21 AM

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Ok I will try that. But we have a lot of empty parking lots in my town so that won't be a problem. You now its nice to be on a forum where people will actually answer your questions rather than telling you to search or just plain doggin on you. I was a member on another sportbike forum and they would damn near never help anybody.

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RE: Whats so wrong with power wheelies? - 9/29/2007 6:45:02 AM

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ORIGINAL: twistatech

I tell everybody to learn how they want to do wheelies whatever way they feel comfortable. But once you get the hang of the wheel coming up naturally you are going to have to progress to clutching. Power wheelying isn't really that bad if your not going that high but once you start getting near balance point is when it gets sketchy. Your bike is lifting the front wheel under pure acceleration so when it comes the the balance point what are you going to do, you can't let off because the bike will slam down, and it takes a experienced rider to feel the point and start letting off to get it to actually balance from a power wheelie. Not to mention if you don't know anything about balance point your just going to stay in the throttle and the bike will be on top of you in a heart beat. That is why they are dangerous. On the flip side clutching get the wheel up initially close to balance point with little or minimal acceleration, and you can play with the throttle to get on balance point relatively easy. Noobs ( and remember we all used to be noobs , all these cocky guys on here used to be noobs at one time) always think that clutching is way more dangerous because of the looping your bike factor. And it is if you don't practice right and build up to a reasonable clutch wheelie the right way. Take it small and slow you will lift the wheel higher and higher everyday. And don't worry about asking noob questions because that is what the forum is here for, them cocky guys forget that they used to be noobs and ask questions. I am alway here to give my honest opinion about questions. hope that helps... later

very well said.

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RE: Whats so wrong with power wheelies? - 9/29/2007 8:33:24 AM

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It sounds a little like what? i couldn't hear that,could you do it again

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RE: Whats so wrong with power wheelies? - 10/12/2007 2:18:43 PM

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I asked the same question on the 929 board. Here's what I got on Slipping the Clutch. I still can't do it myself. I can power it up, but I stop when it gets a few feet off the ground as I'm afraid of looping it...I'm waiting for my Street Cage to come in before I practice again...Hope this helps...

"Slipping the clutch"

You are accelerating slightly... you start to pull in the clutch when at a certian point your revs will start to jump up, but the clutch has not fully disengauged. You've just pulled it in enough for your revs to increase. In a equally quick motion, you release the clutch lever as you add more throttle.

The timing is like this:

1. The clutch is all the way out.
2. You accelerate slightly to put your bike under power.
3. In 1 motion, you pull in the clutch as you increase your throttle.
4. Keep the throttle to it's new increased position as you release the clutch.

Slipping the clutch is a quick motion. If it feels like your bike is trying to do a burnout, or the tire comes up slow, you're releasing the clutch too slowly.

An example I can give would be like this... Here's your revs:
2... 3... 4... 5... (slip clutch, add throttle) 8... (release clutch) 7... (in wheelie) 8... 9... etc

If you do not add throttle when you slip the clutch, it looks like this:
2... 3... 4... 5... (slip clutch, no throttle) 8... (release clutch) 5... (no wheelie) 6... 7... etc

So you should notice there, that just by having your bike under acceleration, your revs will increase when you slip the clutch... But if you don't add throttle while slipping it, you will end up at the same revs when you are done slipping the clutch. The adding the throttle bit is what causes your bike to come up... You're essentially gaining 2k rpm in a fraction of a second... where as if you were just accelerating like normal, it would take much longer to gain that 2k rpm.

This is what it will look like once you have it nailed:
2... 3... (slip clutch, add throttle) 7... (release clutch) 4... (straight to balance point) 4... 4... 4... 4...

If you only give the throttle a little twist when you slip the clutch, the tire only comes up a little. If you give it say a half twist as you slip the clutch, it jumps much higher. The key is not shutting down your throttle once you get the wheel in the air.

To keep your learning simple, always repeat the same motions, at the same speed. Most people that I see that loop their bikes keep going faster and faster as they try to bring it up... and as you go faster and into higher revs, you increase in horsepower. So what they do is try it at 20, doesn't come up... 30, doesn't come up... they start adding more throttle... 40, 50... all the sudden they're in their powerband, and they literally pin their throttle wide open and POW. They get their wheelie, but can't shut the power down fast enough and loop.

So do this. Start at wherever you feel comfortable.. say 20mph. Try to clutch it up.. if it doesn't come up.. you're now going like 35 or 40... slow back down, and try it again at 20mph with a bit more throttle when slipping. If it doesn't come up, or not as high as you wanted it to... slow back down, and try it again at 20 with more throttle. Don't just keep adding speed thinking that's what you need for it to come up. Always practice the same starting speed till you get it.

Well, I'm long winded here, so lol, hopefully this answered your question and gave you a bit more to consider when learning.

- Pixel -

BTW, something to remember is that slipping the clutch always takes the same amount of time... but during the time it's slipped, you can add 2k revs, or 9k revs depending on how fast you twist the throttle while slipp

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RE: Whats so wrong with power wheelies? - 10/15/2007 1:44:34 PM

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I do not accelerate when I do a wheelie, but you can. I would not recommend learning that way. Keep your speed constant. If you want to get the feel of what the motion is to slip the clutch. Under 1/2 acceleration in first shift in to second with out getting out the the gas and when you do, give it up to 3/4 throttle when you have the clutch in then let it out. this all happens in 1second. dont let your revs go way up you just want to be in the gas when you let the clutch out. Mind you I wouldn't recommend learning to wheelie this way, this is just to let you know how to slip the clutch the right way

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