RE: Running from the police... gets you dead
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RE: Running from the police... gets you dead - 9/23/2007 3:44:55 PM
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600f4i_blackout
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There is a lot of uninformed opinions being thrown around here. I believe the shooting was justified in the fact that the officer who was on top of the black car did feel his life was in danger. Think about it this way, the car has come to a complete stop after being rammed by a patrol car, an officer exits his vehicle and gets in front of the black car who then attempts to evade the patrol cars by driving forward towards the officer on foot giving him reasonable grounds to use necessary force. In the instance of a 3500lb piece of metal with a careless and dangerous individual behind the wheel necessary force would be deadly force.
Don't get things confused though... dangerous driving and evading police don't constitute reasonable grounds for deadly force, however attempting to run over a police office does.
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RE: Running from the police... gets you dead - 9/23/2007 4:30:22 PM
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Hatebreed
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they looked like a buncha cowboys... i like how in the begining of the clip he said he tryed to ram him... but i didnt.nvr seen someone shoot someone like that.
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RE: Running from the police... gets you dead - 9/23/2007 4:32:55 PM
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bmg velocity
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1. Don't run from the cops. You'll get busted these days for sure. Helicopters, radios...all faster than any bike.
Plus you are endangering other drivers on the road.
2. The driver, least in my view, never tried to ram the police car, but only get around him.
Not advocating what the driver did, just stating what I saw with the video provided.
3. What's the cop doing on top of the hood of the car? That's pretty dumb. He's just putting himself in danger.
4. He could have shot out the tires.
5. Shooting justified? I don't know...and since we are talking Ohio, not my problem, and not surprised.
Strange how when the moments leading up to the shooting occurs, the video is missing or heavily edited.
Final conclusion.
Dumb driver. Questionable actions on the part of the shooting.
< Message edited by bmg velocity -- 9/23/2007 4:34:38 PM >
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RE: Running from the police... gets you dead - 9/23/2007 5:31:00 PM
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fuze
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I don't think the police officer should have put himself in that position. But they had every right to use deadly force, the guy wasn't stopping for anything.
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RE: Running from the police... gets you dead - 9/23/2007 5:31:40 PM
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But think about it. If he wouldnt have put himself in that position, how much longer could it have taken for the suspect to stop?
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RE: Running from the police... gets you dead - 9/23/2007 5:38:11 PM
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fuze
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Nah i mean why jump on the hood, just shoot him from the side... 
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RE: Running from the police... gets you dead - 9/23/2007 5:43:30 PM
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FITZ
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WOOOOWWWWW that is crazy I live right next to where this happened and this is the first I have heard about it. I actually rode on cornell today.. Insane I wish the video didnt break up. And that guy def got what he deserved. I didnt expect him to shoot him though..
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RE: Running from the police... gets you dead - 9/23/2007 9:50:19 PM
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randyjoy
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quote:
ORIGINAL: bmg velocity
4. He could have shot out the tires.
Nowadays, what most officers carry won't always penetrate a steel belted radial. Spikes, yes. Bullets, questionable. They can actually ricochet off. Oddly enough, most departments in Texas specifically prohibit shooting at tires, but DPS still can.
They'll also keep going with four spiked flat tires.
< Message edited by randyjoy -- 9/23/2007 9:53:36 PM >
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RE: Running from the police... gets you dead - 9/23/2007 9:54:20 PM
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RCR
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you play you pay.
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RE: Running from the police... gets you dead - 9/23/2007 9:59:43 PM
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jhunoh
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Don't want to state what was justified or not, but I would like to point out the cop was the one who decided to get on the car, he was endangering himself and knew the consequences (as well as the driver did too). I'm pretty sure they couldv'e done an alternative method of stopping him though, like maybe shoot the tires when he ever got stuck for a little while, shoot only to scare. I'm no cop but the safest and most logical method was to shoot the tires or use spikes, and follow him until the wheels get messed up he can't continue on, it was late and not many (if any) cars were around so none of that "endangerment to pedestrians" excuse saying quick action had to be made. As for the statement that people can still drive with flat tires, yes its true, but they drive slower and its a hell of a lot easier to baricade them after. Again I'm just trying to point out that shooting was not the best and only answer. Anyone can kill someone or shoot a gun, but stopping someone without bringing any harm to anyone is true SKILLS.
< Message edited by jhunoh -- 9/23/2007 10:06:30 PM >
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RE: Running from the police... gets you dead - 9/24/2007 2:04:29 AM
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Blue Fox
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That guy was a maniac. If I was the cop on top of the car, I would have opened fire too. Given the chance, the driver could have killed him.
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