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RE: Riding Help.. - 10/24/2007 9:04:27 AM
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crashkhanman
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Thanks. I'm just trying to figure out if I can get off the bike more to reduce the bike angle and to take some pressure off the tires. In that last video I put up, I used both my front and rear tire up completely and didn't plant my knee.
Is it possible that my body features: (Leg length, arm length, height) prevent me from getting the knee down or planted? I'm 5'8, 180 pounds.
Sorry to keep pushing the issue but if I'm doing something wrong I don't want to make a habit out of it.
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RE: Riding Help.. - 10/24/2007 11:45:51 PM
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Me too having some issues on getting it right while taking corners. I just can't seem to lean down even how much I tried to bring my body forward. Maybe its because of not enough speed.
Just like you too Crash, I'll be tip toed during leaning, should I change my leg position as well?
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RE: Riding Help.. - 10/25/2007 3:55:51 AM
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More practice on the bike any advice ? Maybe just time? Next riding season I will be signing up for a track day but I still want to go into the track day knowing what I need to work on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfoRMH7C7Z4
Try forgetting about your knee. Your lower body positioning looks fine.
If you imagine a straight line from your ass crack to your head (see pic) and make that adjustment to your upper body, youll have it. Betcha!
PS. try finding a larger practice area where you dont have to make so many throttle adjustments and can maintain a constant bank angle for the full 360 degrees.
Hope this helps.
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RE: Riding Help.. - 10/30/2007 4:13:23 PM
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Thanks!! Jbrown, it helped alot. I was able to touch down the knee today and it felt great. Still need to find a bigger parking lot like you said but as far as my riding form is concerned, its improving. Will adjusting my rearset help me use less of my tires? I'm at the very edge of them where they are starting to peel and thats just a little uncomforting..lol
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RE: Riding Help.. - 10/30/2007 5:53:26 PM
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Thanks!! Jbrown, it helped alot. I was able to touch down the knee today and it felt great. Still need to find a bigger parking lot like you said but as far as my riding form is concerned, its improving. Will adjusting my rearset help me use less of my tires? I'm at the very edge of them where they are starting to peel and thats just a little uncomforting..lol
I see that you have Satos. Nice! I have no idea where you have them positioned, but I like my feet well under my butt. It gives more room for my elbows in a tuck and helps me push my torso around without coming off the seat too much.
Are you really to the edge of the front tire? Time for a track day!
How much effort have you put into setting your sag? Getting your suspension and geometry right can take your confidence up like 10 notches. IMHO, this is the first palce to spend money on any bike... period.
Here is a great resource for understanding chassis set-up http://www.traxxion.com/store/detail.asp?product_id=SUS4V
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RE: Riding Help.. - 10/30/2007 6:17:23 PM
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Great advice JBrown .. Thanks again. I have not messed with my suspension settings at all but I can see what you mean. I'm running the stock setting on the '07. I will definately look into that training video you have posted up.
I can take a picture of my front tire when I get to my bike again ..but yah its all the way to the edge. The front is not peeling but the back is starting to.
I agree with you about the rearsets aswell. For a little while I had them adjusted all the way back and up, where my feet where behind me and pushing me into my gas tank. Whenever I tried to take a turn hard the back end felt light. Did not feel as confident as what I have them set at right now. (right underneath my butt and raised up 2 notches).
Looking to do a track day next riding season around the end of March at VIR. So hopefully I can come fully prepared 
Again Thanks for taking the time to go over this with me!! 
Kevin
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RE: Riding Help.. - 10/30/2007 6:47:18 PM
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VIR is my most favoritist track. Youll love it!
You might be shreading the rear because of rebound/sag issues.
Also, look for a tire pressure gain of about 10% from hot to cold. You could be getting "cold tear".
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RE: Riding Help.. - 10/31/2007 4:26:50 PM
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Hey guys, after taking everyones advice and practicing a little more I've finally been able to do it. JBrown, I made a little more adjustments to my upper body and arms, dropped my butt lower off the seat and was able to plant today. Not bad for 4,500miles of seat time. After doing it, I was like a 6th grader that got his first boob grab... lol .. Here's the pictures of my tire wear and then a video of me planting. Another thing that actually helped me in that smaller parking lot was to do it in 2nd gear. The first few times I was always in 1st  . Again Thanks Everyone!
Front Tire ~ Left Side:
Back Tire ~ Left side:
Here's the video link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D2g2PJZWps
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RE: Riding Help.. - 10/31/2007 4:36:33 PM
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RE: Riding Help.. - 11/3/2007 12:06:12 AM
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Looks like you're improving very quickly, even some experienced track riders would have some difficulty dragging knee in the slow circle shown in your video. My 2-cents of advice would be to try shifting your butt back just a bit more on the saddle but still keep your upper torso down & leaned forward. If you're headed for the track I'd say focus first on proper tires and suspension and the rest will follow.
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RE: Riding Help.. - 11/6/2007 7:58:18 AM
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crashkhanman
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Thanks again guys for the advice. ApexClipper any suggestions or results I should see from adjusting the suspension settings? .. Or do you mean replacing them with racing parts? Am I going to notice day and night differences between my stock tires and the Michelin Pilot Powers I'm looking at? If you meant replacing the suspension.. any suggestions for a decent track setup with the ability to be driven on the street?
I'm getting pretty confident with my throttle control and body positioning but still worry about how much tire I'm using and don't want to throw the bike over and not have the tires keep up.
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RE: Riding Help.. - 11/7/2007 4:46:21 AM
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Number one; choose which side of the "what you love about your bike" fence your going to fall on. The experience or the possession. I know this is a bit harsh, but lets cut to the chase. If your looking for the edge, your bike is a tool to find it. Tools that are used show signs of wear. No one likes to crash and mess up their bike or their body, but to get your skills to the max, you have to be willing to accept that possibility/eventuality. Maybe search the boards for rashed bodywork and other damage prone parts to use on the track. Lets take this factor out of the equation.
At the track, you can get set-up help. You can do the basics at home with a friend or 2. The link I gave you to the video "suspension for mortals" is an excellent resource to fully grasp geometry and suspensions effect on your bike.
Heres another freebie with some good info; http://www.gostar-racing.com/information/motorcycle_suspension_set-up.htm#Setting%20your%20bike%20up
There are lots of improvements that can be made to your stock suspension components. A proper set-up for the track should work equally well on the street.
Your bike has a stock straight rate spring in the front fork. If you can achieve a 30 to 35mm rider sag, you should not need to change the springs. Its a PITA to set rear shocks preload to proper sag on CBRs, but it is equally important.
You will not believe the difference in your bike and your confidence after setting sag alone. Damping adjustments should never be made prior to getting this sorted. The only cost with this approach, is your time.
At the other end of the scale, you can go nuts and buy Ohlins Superbike forks at 7K and a rear shock @ 1200.
If it works on the track, it works on the street.
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