CBR Forum   Classifieds   News   Photo Gallery   Search   Member List   Timeslips   Contact   Sponsors   Register   Login  

RE: Riding Help..

  Printable Version
CBR >> Racing and Recreational >> Road Racing >> RE: Riding Help.. Page: <<   < prev  1 2 [3]
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: Riding Help.. - 11/7/2007 5:49:51 PM   
crashkhanman


Posts: 1540
Joined: 8/18/2007
From: Radford/Fredericksburg
Status: offline
crashkhanman's photo gallery
quote:

ORIGINAL: Booty Freak

I see you got the lefties down, what about your right hand turns ??


Good Catch! .. I have to work on my left foot placement more in order to get the right knee down. That is the root of my problem because I can't get my lower body off the bike nearly enough on that side. Unfortunately this knowledge came a little late and the weather is too cold to be practicing anymore. :( Looks like next riding season before I can post up some figure 8's.

Being that I will have all this time not riding, I will be using JBrowns resources and learning alot about my suspension (Thanks). And you're right JBrown ... once I convienced myself that my bike could be dropped trying that left hand turn and just went with it and hoped my frame slider would do its job. Sure enough it was ok and just one big worry on my part that was limiting my ability to go further with my bike.

_____________________________



CBRForum Buddy System:
  • Jaynd


    (in reply to Booty Freak)
  • Post #: 31
    RE: Riding Help.. - 11/8/2007 12:00:45 AM   
    ApexClipper


    Posts: 82
    Joined: 6/23/2007
    Status: offline
    ApexClipper's photo gallery
    quote:

    ORIGINAL: crashkhanman

    Thanks again guys for the advice. ApexClipper any suggestions or results I should see from adjusting the suspension settings? .. Or do you mean replacing them with racing parts? Am I going to notice day and night differences between my stock tires and the Michelin Pilot Powers I'm looking at? If you meant replacing the suspension.. any suggestions for a decent track setup with the ability to be driven on the street?



    I would recommend first setting your stock suspension properly, seek out the assistance of an experienced person for this which will save you a lot of time. Get a base setting for static sag, compression and rebound and then see how it feels. Make small incremental adjustments to fine tune, make one change at a time only and then get a feel for what that change does or doesn't do for you.  

    You can get by on the street with suspension that is setup just so-so, you can greatly improve rideability on the street with proper adjustments but suspension performance becomes a limiting factor as you push the envelope at speed on the track or the street since it's what keeps the rubber to the road and minimizes chassis instability. If you progress past the limits of the stock suspension to keep the bike planted and stable at the speeds you're running then you may want to explore an upgrade and it doesn't always require tossing the stock bits away. I had fork revalving done on a stock 929 for about $300.00 and it made a world of difference over the bumpy stuff. If you've got more cash to play with there's great options there too. I think it comes down to two questions, 1) Are the current suspension dynamics holding me back from the performance level I want to achieve? 2) if yes to #1 then how much am I willing to invest?

    You strike me as a guy who wants to test the performance of the bike and yourself to the limits, which reminds me of myself some years ago.  So as to the tire question I couldn't say whether the Pilot Powers will be night and day from what you're using now, but they're very good street tires after warmed up with a reputation of needing a touch extra warmup before being pushed. But.....and here's where I may get preachy.....if you plan to seriously test any limits and are the kind of guy who will keeping seeking the next bit of performance then take it off the street and to the track. At the track use race compound tires or at least tires rated as street/track, many will say street compound tires are fine for track days but I'm no longer of that school after experiencing the limits of some OEM Dunlops.

    Right handers vs. left handers, interesting topic. I also found it much easier to hang-off on left handers then on right handers. What helped me was a suggestion a buddy of mine made. I think most riders tend to keep their hand/wrist perpendicular to the throttle. If you just sit on the bike and practice hanging off to the right you'll find that keeping your wrist perfectly perpendicular to the throttle limits your body position, your elbow sort of jams into your body and you can't drop your shoulder down. The suggestion that helped me was while dropping in to a right hander hold the throttle more like you would a screw driver then the handle of a lawn mower, this allows the elbow to extend outward more which allows the shoulder and upper torso to more easily drop down to the side.

    Best of luck, be fast but be safe out there!

    (in reply to crashkhanman)
    Post #: 32
    RE: Riding Help.. - 11/29/2007 10:32:35 PM   
    dwhite645


    Posts: 1982
    Joined: 1/21/2006
    From: OldFatGuy's garage - stealing parts
    Status: offline
    I see that this is an old post, but something important to remember: Your tires aren't going to warm up enough on the street to try dragging knees safely (not that dragging knees on the street is the best idea anyway ). On track they'll get much hotter and stickier from all of the friction making it safer and less likely to wash out.

    _____________________________


    (in reply to ApexClipper)
    Post #: 33
    RE: Riding Help.. - 11/29/2007 11:04:53 PM   
    bergs


    Posts: 405
    Joined: 8/9/2007
    Status: offline
    In a little late on this one but there are two things I disagree with in this thread:

    quote:

    ...I can safely say that if your speed is too low, it will be harder to drag knee. 


    I can safely say that statement isn't true.  Slowest I've been with a knee down is around 15mph and it wasn't all that difficult. 

    What's harder than getting a knee down at 15mph is shifting weight and flopping the bike to the other side.

    quote:

    Your tires aren't going to warm up enough on the street to try dragging knees safely

     

    They certainly will....only difference is the safety factor which has nothing to do with tire temps.


    FWIW: When it's available, a few of us gather to practice riding tecniques at a very large parking lot where an MSF course is held.  It seems to be tolerated and, judging by some of the "audiences", even somewhat welcomed by the owners of the property as we have not been kicked off the property and no LEO's have shown up. 

    Something to consider to help keep it off the public roads.

    EDIT:  Bad Engrish

    < Message edited by bergs -- 11/29/2007 11:07:10 PM >


    _____________________________

    2003 Yamaha FZ10SPR

    2001 Honda CBR929RR

    (in reply to Jaybird180)
    Post #: 34
    RE: Riding Help.. - 11/30/2007 12:47:50 AM   
    crashkhanman


    Posts: 1540
    Joined: 8/18/2007
    From: Radford/Fredericksburg
    Status: offline
    crashkhanman's photo gallery
    Thanks again guys. Definately keeping this off the road. Of course when I first started riding, I was in the mindset that thats what ridings about... but I quickly understood why this should be kept to the track. Next riding season I will be hitting the trackdays as much as I can. .. When temps warm up I'll be working on my right turns and getting my head down more.

    _____________________________



    CBRForum Buddy System:
  • Jaynd


    (in reply to bergs)
  • Post #: 35
    Login OR Register now to post a reply to this forum topic.
    Page:   <<   < prev  1 2 [3]

     
    CBR Forums >> Racing and Recreational >> Road Racing
    Jump to:

    Featured Sponsors
    Advertising Info

    Top 10 Posters
    doncollins6207
    voodoochyl5838
    tahoe sc5776
    pitsvtec5304
    rrasco4677
    d2dgraphix_64673
    blue fox4068
    vpsophmore3938
    havoc3881
    kidcr3nshaw3683

    New Vendors
    SuperBikeStore.net
    Sport Bike GPS
    AMSOIL - Performance Oil Technology
    AMSOIL - Performance Oil Technology
    K&N Engineering, Inc.

    CBR Forum .com is not affiliated with or endorsed by Honda Motor Company.