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ORIGINAL: kr1s

Even though I am a newb here, in high school and after, a lot of my friends were stunters.  Back in the day of Miami Zoo Crew when they started out.  I was about 3 hours north though.  I have to say, the logical solution is to not stunt on 826 or the Rickenbacher.  Just my $.02.  If you read recently, a guy was doing a wheelie UP the Rickenbacher Causeway bridge, hit the rail and his leg was ripped out. 

I have seen my friends get jacked up stunting and one die.  I hate when I am driving down I-75 and a herd of sportbikes pass me going at least 120 when I have my 3 kids in the car.  Because if one of those guys go down in front of me, I may not have the time to stop.  So now I run someone over, my kids see a dead man...etc. 

As for 30 over, many places are can cite you for street racing in a car if looks like a "speed contest".  Of course that is entirely up to the cop, then the judge.  and yes, in Miami, your car is gone if you are arrested for street racing, and you are in the clink, and your license is gone.  In some place in Cali, they take your car, AND THEN CRUSH IT IN FRONT OF YOU! 

I hate to sound like a tightass, but when I see a guy on a sport bike hauling ass on the shoulder in traffic or splitting lanes, or even doing wheelies, I feel bad, because then people look at me becaues a few people do it on public roads.  The old saying, you gotta pay if you wanna play comes in here.  If you are that determined to stunt down one of Miami's busiest roads, then you may have to face the judge.  You know as well as I do, and be honest, that on 95, 826, 836, 75, the Turnpike, any of the beach accesses, there is NO REASON to stunt there.  Okeechobee is perfect and I am sure you won't get hassled.

I honestly don't care what anyone does, I just want to be a mild voice of reason.  Good luck in fighting this, but just be glad you can only get those penalties rather than being dead already.

kris

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ORIGINAL: 2QK4U2C

ok...well for everyone saying that this is a good law and all that...don't you think this will make ANY sportbike rider who is speeding run from the cops if they try to pull him over?  First, do I break the law?  Yep, I did today.  I just finished my class so I get my endorsement tomorrow at 4pm...Went riding today.  I took a risk and would face the consequence.  For this quote above and below, in Miami, there is NO REASON to go 85 on a public highway when the speed limit is 55.  There is Moroso to go to so you can drag...and track days for twisties.  Don't you think the rider will be scared that because they were going 85 on a 55mph highway that they'll get arrested, get their bike taken away, and loose their license for 10 yrs that they will logically see running as their best option?  A car driver would be arrested as well if they ran.  Running from the police serves no purpose. Case in point, my friend blew past a cop in Brevard County, Florida on his R1.  The cop gave chase and my friend gunned it.  5 miles down the road, my friend wised up and pulled over.  Of course he was arrested, but the judge cut him a break for being smart.  Of course this was years ago.

Also, how can you justify saying this law is fine when a car going the SAME speed (forget about stunting for a min...b/c the law is also for "excessive speeding") has none of these harsh penelties?  A 4,000 pound car do a lot more damage to others than a 300 pound bike.  It is not fair to target motorcycles with harsher punishment for the EXACT SAME OFFENSE.  It isn't that they are targeting it may seem like it, but I would rather get nabbed for doing something retarded and live to bitch about it here on this forum, rather than do something stupid and die.  It is that yes, a 4K pound car can do more damage, and has done more damage to motorcyclists who weren't doing the right thing.  Of course car drivers are at fault too, but this is about stunting, and your survival rate on a busy Miami highway is low if you are doing that.  And yes, depending upon the cops discretion, if you are in a "display of speed" or "speed contest" in your vehicle, you will spend a night or two in the pokey. 

Also, getting arrested for having a consealed license plate?  COMMON NOW...that's just rediculous.  Even though the main reason for having a consealed plate is probably so they can run from the cops...THEY HAVE NOT YET DONE IT...you can't be guilty of something you "will probably do".  That's like getting pulled over in a red Corvette for speeding while sitting in a parking lot...just because your car looks fast and most Corvettes probably speed.  That's not even an arguement.  If your license plate is concealed, that's illegal.  Same reason cars get pulled for having the tinted license plate frame.  And yes, you can be guilty of something "you will probably do".  If you were stopped in a car and had a large amount of illegal drugs in your car, more than for personal use, the cop can arrest you for "intent to distribute".  Even if 5kg's of weed is all for you, he has probable cause to arrest for your intent with that much. 

Again, I hate to say it....A LOT OF YOUNG riders have made this happen.  Come to Miami to a Hooters or Fuddruckers on a Thursday night.  Most are nice folks to be around and show off their bikes in the parking lot. However, a few bad seeds go and do retarded stuff RIGHT IN FRONT OF COPS.  If you are that clueless, then you deserve what you get. 

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ORIGINAL: PlayfulGod

harsh? yes. overkill? yes. But then again wheelies dont belong on public roads. None of us need to be doing 30over the limit. And running gets people killed. So dont like it, dont do it. Its that simple.