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How to launch at the track??????????? - 1/6/2008 11:01:06 PM   
Gone_Broke


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OK, first day on a actual track and for the life of me I could not get a good launch. I tried a 5k slow clutch release, 2k drop and go, and even a 5k clutch drop... (NOT A SMART CALL..lol) They all resulted in a pretty crappy hole shot. I am looking for some tips. Thanks in advance...

Oh yea.. its an 01' 600.
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RE: How to launch at the track??????????? - 1/7/2008 10:07:04 AM   
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On my 98 f3 I would launch at 8000-9000 and just feather the clutch.You will get more comfortable with more seat time.Dumping the clutch isn't going to work for the 600's it doesn't have enough horsepower once it boggs down.

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RE: How to launch at the track??????????? - 1/7/2008 11:29:52 AM   
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mhonda98 has got it

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RE: How to launch at the track??????????? - 1/7/2008 9:26:31 PM   
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Thanks for the responses. I will definately try it next time I am out there.

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RE: How to launch at the track??????????? - 1/7/2008 9:31:20 PM   
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Feather the clutch and roll into the throttle as the clutch catches up to the motor...after that just bang out the gears.

Try and find where the peak torque is on your bike and pretty much start from there.

Dumping the clutch does not win races.


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RE: How to launch at the track??????????? - 1/7/2008 11:36:15 PM   
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Is your bike stretched yet?

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RE: How to launch at the track??????????? - 1/8/2008 12:38:03 AM   
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Bike is not stretched. I want to keep it short for cornering. At least it seems like having it stretched would throw off the cornering geometry, I could be wrong about that tho. I definately like the stretched look, but is it worth the cost???

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RE: How to launch at the track??????????? - 1/8/2008 12:40:22 AM   
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"feather the clutch", how many clutches can I expect to burn up while i'm learning this?? LOL.

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RE: How to launch at the track??????????? - 1/8/2008 12:42:55 AM   
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has anyone used these?
http://shop.tocc.biz/product.php?productid=17102

seems like an affordable way to stretch..

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RE: How to launch at the track??????????? - 1/8/2008 10:16:22 AM   
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Well I have mine stretched.Its worth to stretch your bike you'll pick up atleast a tenth maybe more.You might want to think about getting a front end strap.You can get them cheap at schnitzracing.com.It's well worth the money.

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RE: How to launch at the track??????????? - 1/8/2008 6:55:48 PM   
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I youre into weekend warrior racing go with extensions B-U-T, speaking from personal experience they are pretty easy to break,

thats why no companies will warranty them, at least I havnt seen any one who does, the load rating on the 6in extensions I believe

is 250 lbs each, I could be wrong but Im pretty sure, a 900RR weighs 400+lbs, so your extensions will take 500lbs before you exceed

recommended max load, lets say you spread the weight evenly with the bike at a stop, 200 on the front tire 200 on the back your

extensions are taking the brunt of the 200 right where they bolt on, think of the bolt on point as a pivot and the end of the

extension as a lever (you know, where your axle bolt goes through) when you sit on the bike your adding another 75 to 100 lbs or so 

to the rear end so now youre maxed or close to the recommended limit of the extensions...now think about it, when you launch off

the line at the track what happens, the combined weight of the bike and the rider shifts to the back tire, combine that with the

torqe of the chain pulling the tire and the torsional forces on the swing arm as the rear squats from the weight shift and the twisting

motion if you slide side to side (not every launch is going to be perfectly straight) and youve doubled, tripled, possibly even

quadrupled the max load of those things and SNAP! Even if you dont race and ride on the street for the look just think of the

punishment they take when you hit a pothole or vibrations from uneven roads and dont even think of riding two up unless youre

looking for a good way to lose the old lady,lol...I ran mine for about three months straight then one day I did a 1st gear burnout for

the boys while leaving the park and everything went fine then all of a sudden the chain sounded like it was skipping on the sprocket,

I looked down and I could see the shadow of my chain damn near dragging the pavement, I pulled over and saw that the extension

had sheared right behind the bolt point and the only thing holding the rearend together was the other extension...I Pulled them off

and sent the swingarm to Thompsons custom cycles http://thompsonscustomcycles.com/ and they welded up my swingarm with 8 in

solid billet extensions and an underbrace for a little over 600 dollars, thats including the shipping, I live in Hawaii and hes in north

carolina so thats about 200 bucks in shipping, they offer an exchange program but he didnt have any 900RR arms at the time, they

said it would take three weeks and three weeks it did, a week of that it was in the mail, you figure about 300 bucks for extensions

or spend the xtra $ for the real thing. Up to you....sorry so long   BTW if you do the swingarm choose the V welds theyre much

stronger than a straight weld mine looks exactly like this one but with the stock over brace too...




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RE: How to launch at the track??????????? - 1/8/2008 7:08:52 PM   
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Oh I forgot to add that unless your really hardcore into the turns you can still have fun with a 6 or 8in stretch they even have a 4in

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RE: How to launch at the track??????????? - 1/8/2008 8:25:16 PM   
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Sweet pants.



quote:

how many clutches can I expect to burn up while i'm learning this??

Heat is the real killer. 

FWIW: I've done numerous runs up the strip on my FZ1 and the factory-original clutch is still in it.

Care to guess how many miles are on that clutch?

Point is, don't burn it and it should last quite a while.  Learn to engage the clutch and roll into the throttle quick enough to avoid overheating the clutch plates but slow enough so you don't launch the front end.


Simple, right?  It takes practice.


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RE: How to launch at the track??????????? - 1/8/2008 10:19:27 PM   
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Damn awesome info... Thanks to everyone for the input. I think I will just save up for an extended swingarm. Does anyone have an extra f4i 600 swingarm laying around?

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RE: How to launch at the track??????????? - 1/9/2008 7:23:57 PM   
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Yeah, I agree that a aftermarket swingarm or a stock arm with weld on extensions would be safer BUT, a 250lbs load rating for bolt on extentions???? I have seen 550lbs Busas and zx14 pull low 1.40 and some in the 1.30s 60ft times all day and had these bolt ons for years. I have also seen them break the bolts off and come apart, but I have not seen or heard of the extention itself breaking. That also doesn't mean that it is not possiable. I have some on my 600, when I first got them the bolts on the right side only had about three threads going into the other side b/c the break hanger was not machined correctly. A little grinding and they fit perfect. no problems yet, have about 800 drag racing miles on them.
Oh yeah, on the 07 600rr it is one inch shorter wheelbase than the rest, I could 60ft better at stock wheelbase??? go figure.

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