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Need some info please - 1/7/2008 3:26:42 PM

dangerranger21

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So my brother has blessed me with his awesome 06 1000rr he wants me to look after it and take care of it for him for about a year. The bike has about 2400miles on it. Is there anything I should know about services, oil changes, etc? And yes I will be riding it once in awhile just to let it run here and there the bike I ride right now is a 01 F4i so i am pretty much honored to babysit it for him

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RE: Need some info please - 1/7/2008 4:24:28 PM

Onarom

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That sounds like a great deal. He obviously trusts you. Enjoy the bike and ride carefully.

Nothing I can really think of offhand about servicing the bike. Just the usual stuff

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RE: Need some info please - 1/7/2008 5:52:26 PM

baxsom

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do not just let it run
you are better off unhooking the battery and just letting it sit than cranking it and just letting it idle.

the charging system doesnt kick in until a few thousand rpms so idling will only drain the battery and letting the exhaust warm up and then cool back down quickly will cause condensation

oil changes are only required every 8K miles. most people change it earlier.

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RE: Need some info please - 1/7/2008 7:36:39 PM

ConeyIsland#1

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let me babysit your f4i while you babysit the 1krr. :)

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RE: Need some info please - 1/7/2008 8:13:24 PM

Chuckdoc

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quote:

ORIGINAL: baxsom

do not just let it run
you are better off unhooking the battery and just letting it sit than cranking it and just letting it idle.

the charging system doesnt kick in until a few thousand rpms so idling will only drain the battery and letting the exhaust warm up and then cool back down quickly will cause condensation

oil changes are only required every 8K miles. most people change it earlier.

Agree with above. Either ride it regularly, or if it must sit use a battery tender.

Also, when you do start it, make sure you get it up to operating temps on the highway somewhere (180+) and run it. You will get water in the oil from a quick startup and shutoff. This frequently happens to demo bikes at stealerships that are frequently started and not ridden.

cheers.

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RE: Need some info please - 1/8/2008 4:52:08 AM

SD2007

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quote:

ORIGINAL: baxsom

do not just let it run
you are better off unhooking the battery and just letting it sit than cranking it and just letting it idle.

the charging system doesnt kick in until a few thousand rpms so idling will only drain the battery and letting the exhaust warm up and then cool back down quickly will cause condensation

oil changes are only required every 8K miles. most people change it earlier.

Ouch. Idling the engine will NOT drain the battery, it will charge it. I'm not recommending this as a means of maintaining the battery, but let's keep this factual.

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RE: Need some info please - 1/8/2008 7:54:53 AM

richhowerton

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He must trust you more then I trust most of my friends. LOL back to your question, with that amount of miles their is not much you need to do just change the oil after 2K miles and keep the chan lubed up. depending how hard the bike was ridden check out the brake pads and fluid levels. and you will be Golden

Keep the rubber down

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RE: Need some info please - 1/8/2008 2:53:51 PM

mininsx

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SD2007

quote:

ORIGINAL: baxsom

do not just let it run
you are better off unhooking the battery and just letting it sit than cranking it and just letting it idle.

the charging system doesnt kick in until a few thousand rpms so idling will only drain the battery and letting the exhaust warm up and then cool back down quickly will cause condensation

oil changes are only required every 8K miles. most people change it earlier.

Ouch. Idling the engine will NOT drain the battery, it will charge it. I'm not recommending this as a means of maintaining the battery, but let's keep this factual.

I don't want to get into an argument, but idling the engine will most certainly NOT charge the battery. The engine has to be around 2500 RPM before the battery will get charged.

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RE: Need some info please - 1/8/2008 3:43:20 PM

CBR1000rider

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I would also use a battery tender.

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RE: Need some info please - 1/8/2008 4:09:11 PM

dangerranger21

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Yeah I have a battery tender for it and Im not just letting it idle I will be taking it out to ride im just making sure that no adjustments are comming up on it being that its so new. thanks for all the help

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RE: Need some info please - 1/8/2008 4:38:23 PM

SD2007

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mininsx

I don't want to get into an argument, but idling the engine will most certainly NOT charge the battery. The engine has to be around 2500 RPM before the battery will get charged.

Since you're not here to start an argument, you must have a very reliable source or experimental results to back up what you stated above. I'd really be interested to hear where this came from. I'm also curious as to your answer to the following question-

How much electricity does the charging system generate at idle?

A. None (the headlights and the other electrical loads are powered solely by the battery)
B. A little (only enough to partially power the electrical loads, the battery must do the rest)
C. Just enough (enough to power 100% of the electrical loads - battery is neither charged nor discharged)

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RE: Need some info please - 1/8/2008 7:16:23 PM

yarbrouc

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Congrats on basically getting a free 1000rr. I love mine! Did he throw in free insurance? Ride it and sell me your F4i.

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RE: Need some info please - 1/8/2008 7:50:02 PM

baxsom

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i hope knightslugger jumps in on this one.
he is a whiz at charging systems

however lets look at our bible

on page 17-7 of our service manual it says to test the charging system at 5000 rpms
on page 17-6 of same manual it says that a fully charged battery will read 13-13.2 volts

now considering that this same manual. the beat all end all of how to when it comes to this bike on storage
and i quote
"for extended storage, remove the battery, give it a full charge, and store it in a cool dry place. for maximum service life, charge the stored battery every two weeks"

also consider this page
http://webpages.charter.net/knightslugger/CSA.pdf
knightslugger was so kind to publish this charging system troubleshooting flow chart and you will note that you check initial voltage at 2500 rpms and should only read 13.5v

now consider back to what a charged battery should be 13.5

here is a thread with a good read.
got a quote from honda in it saying that the charging system doesnt kick in until 2500 rpms
(exactly what i originally said)
http://www.600rr.net/vb/showthread.php?t=16032&highlight=storage+idle

and never ever question me again

< Message edited by baxsom -- 1/8/2008 7:55:58 PM >

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RE: Need some info please - 1/8/2008 8:01:09 PM

RCR

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quote:

ORIGINAL: dangerranger21

Yeah I have a battery tender for it and Im not just letting it idle I will be taking it out to ride im just making sure that no adjustments are comming up on it being that its so new. thanks for all the help

Put the tender back on the shelf.. and ride the bike like you planned. Just be careful or your Bro will kill ya just the same as he trusted you.

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RE: Need some info please - 1/8/2008 9:45:07 PM

SD2007

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I can only assume this reply is directed at me, as I'm the only one in the forum who's pointed out your misinformation. It boils down to this: Either I have a one-of-kind 2007 CBR 1000RR, or you're just another techno wannabe who gets his "information" from other unqualified wannabes. As we look into this issue, keep in mind that all I said was the battery is charged (not discharged) when the bike is idling.

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ORIGINAL: baxsom

on page 17-7 of our service manual it says to test the charging system at 5000 rpms
on page 17-6 of same manual it says that a fully charged battery will read 13-13.2 volts

Fantastic. How does this support your claim that the battery is discharged while idling? It doesn't, not by a long shot.

quote:

now considering that this same manual. the beat all end all of how to when it comes to this bike on storage
and i quote
"for extended storage, remove the battery, give it a full charge, and store it in a cool dry place. for maximum service life, charge the stored battery every two weeks"

What's your point? Did I say anything to the contrary?

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also consider this page
http://webpages.charter.net/knightslugger/CSA.pdf
knightslugger was so kind to publish this charging system troubleshooting flow chart and you will note that you check initial voltage at 2500 rpms and should only read 13.5v

now consider back to what a charged battery should be 13.5

So because a generic troubleshooting flow chart says 2500 RPM should give you 13.5 volts, that means an '06 CBR 1000RR discharges the battery at idle? Wow, there's an air-tight case.

quote:

here is a thread with a good read.
got a quote from honda in it saying that the charging system doesnt kick in until 2500 rpms
(exactly what i originally said)
http://www.600rr.net/vb/showthread.php?t=16032&highlight=storage+idle

Yeah, more bogus information. You people are like a virus. The charging system doesn't kick in until 2500 RPM??? What load of crap!!!

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and never ever question me again

I'm not questioning you, I'm correcting you.

You see, I'm not just some sportbike enthusiast with an attitude, I'm an electrical engineer. I've been charging sealed lead-acid batteries for 15 years using DC power supplies that I designed and built. I know a thing or two about this stuff. I also have extensive hands-on experience with the CBR1000 as I've done extensive testing with the fuel delivery, ignition, and charging systems. In developing my charging system failure detector, I made several measurements of the charging system performance, and I know exactly what a healthy charging system should do at idle RPM.

So what about you? Where does your technical expertise come from? How much have you personally worked with the electrical systems on this bike?

We can end this debate right here:
If you have a decent quality digital voltmeter, go out to your bike and measure the voltage at your battery's terminals, write down the voltage. Next turn the key to on, wait 5 seconds and write down the voltage. Start the bike (hi beam off) and measure the voltage after a minute or so, record the number. Turn on the high beam and record the number. Report back to the forum with your numbers and we'll discuss.

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