Solve my Helmet Debate
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Solve my Helmet Debate - 1/23/2008 2:07:51 PM
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jerbear
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First off let me say i wear my helmet all the time and dont plan to change. My roomate argues though that he read a statistic that says helmets cause more harm in crashes over 20 mph then they do good. Can any one show me any information to support that?
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RE: Solve my Helmet Debate - 1/23/2008 2:23:21 PM
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Jaybird180
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Ask your buddy. Seems that he's using the same logic used by people who don't like seatbelts and airbags.
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RE: Solve my Helmet Debate - 1/23/2008 2:24:15 PM
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ffingers
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he's an idiot...problem SOLVED!!! j/k (maybe not)...i have NEVER heard ANYTHING like that....in fact...low speed crashes are statistically more dangerous than high speed crashes (yes there is a source for that but i don't know where)....so to say that it would do more harm in a low speed is absolutely idiotic... does he have any stats to prove his point...?
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RE: Solve my Helmet Debate - 1/23/2008 2:26:26 PM
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Bean600
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LMAO thats complete BS.... you should have asked him to show proof?
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RE: Solve my Helmet Debate - 1/23/2008 2:38:13 PM
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Kewl Breeze
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[ Scientific Study ] 1) Jut forehead forward and with 20 yard head start, run as fast as you can and run head into brick wall (use skate board and downhill if necessary to achieve 20mph+) 2) Repeat procedure except use dot/snell approved helmet this time [ /Scientific Study ] Post results of which caused more damage
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RE: Solve my Helmet Debate - 1/23/2008 2:40:09 PM
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jerbear
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yea he said he can't find the report he did, i know he did i watched him do it. the only statistic or statment i found to support him was at bikersrights.com and toward the bottom they had a supposed quote from snell. We Asked a Number of Helmet Companies, which of their helmets would provide the best safety benefits Snell "A helmet that can take one of our headforms through these 2 impacts unscathed could probably handle a single impact somewhat greater than 17.3 MPH, but certainly no more than 23 MPH." - Ed Becker, Snell I understand his logic that there is more weight on you head and it creates more force and potential strain, but i dont see how in a crash over 20 mph would be more benefical to not have a helemt on. Any how i know there is plenty of information out there to support helmet use and i could care less about that i am just interested in information agaisnt helmet use. And NO I am not debating wheather or not i should wear a helmet i always and do and always plan to.
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RE: Solve my Helmet Debate - 1/23/2008 2:44:37 PM
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ffingers
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ORIGINAL: Kewl Breeze [ Scientific Study ] 1) Jut forehead forward and with 20 yard head start, run as fast as you can and run head into brick wall (use skate board and downhill if necessary to achieve 20mph+) 2) Repeat procedure except use dot/snell approved helmet this time [ /Scientific Study ] Post results of which caused more damage bwahahahahaaha....that's some funny stuff.....post the results if you can still speak....bwhahahahaah....
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RE: Solve my Helmet Debate - 1/23/2008 2:45:21 PM
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Jaybird180
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Motorcyclist magazine did a test in 2005 on helmets. The current issue has an update on that article with some background on the debate with SNELL. As a result, SNELL has updated their standards and testing procedures. I'd recommend you read those two articles then you can engage in a battle of wits with your unarmed friend.
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RE: Solve my Helmet Debate - 1/23/2008 2:57:01 PM
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jerbear
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ORIGINAL: Jaybird180 Motorcyclist magazine did a test in 2005 on helmets. The current issue has an update on that article with some background on the debate with SNELL. As a result, SNELL has updated their standards and testing procedures. I'd recommend you read those two articles then you can engage in a battle of wits with your unarmed friend. I tried to find the article and their site confuses me if you could post a link that would be great! My other argument is if helmets are so bad why do they require them in races?
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RE: Solve my Helmet Debate - 1/23/2008 3:18:27 PM
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Jaybird180
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Here's a link to the original article that stirred up the bees. The new article is in print. Perhaps you can find the link to it and post. http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/gearbox/motorcycle_helmet_review/
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RE: Solve my Helmet Debate - 1/23/2008 3:45:26 PM
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Jason748
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Well... I've personally tested multiple helmets - Don't ask how many as it's all getting a bit foggy - all at well over 20mph. I can say for certian I WOULD be dead or at a minium at least fubr'ed in at least 3 of them, no question. Here's the last couple...afterwards
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RE: Solve my Helmet Debate - 1/23/2008 4:55:15 PM
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Nauree
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The Deadly Zone: 12 Motorcycle Safety Myths & Misconceptions THE DEADLY DOZEN: 12 MOTORCYCLE SAFETY MYTHS AND MISCONCEPTIONS When science meets urban legend and imperfect logic, some of the "facts" motorcyclists think they "know" about motorcycle safety, crashes, and riding turn out to be dangerous myths and misconceptions. From the February 2006 issue of Motorcycle Cruiser magazine -- by Art Friedman. Get a group of motorcyclists talking about crashes and safety, and you will almost certainly hear some popular misconceptions, incorrect assumptions, urban legends and intuitive explanations about motorcycle safety that turn out to be wrong when you actually check out the facts. The problem is that believing these misconceptions can increase your chances of being involved in an accident or getting hurt when you do crash. Maybe you know BS when you hear it, but maybe you have heard some myths repeated so often or by people whose expertise you respect that you think they are actually true. Unfortunately, there are a lot of motorcyclists who do believe them. We thought that some of these fallacies should be brought out into the light of day so that riders have the right information upon which to make informed riding-safety decisions. We also hope it will keep more motorcyclists from repeating such misconceptions to riders who turn to them for advice. These are the Deadly Dozen, the motorcycle safety myths and urban legends ones that we hear most frequently. Myth 1: Other Drivers Don't Care About Motorcyclists It may seem hard to believe at times, but other drivers almost never actually want to hit you. Most of those near-misses come about because they don't always know you are there, even when you are right in front of them, seemingly in plain view. You can be obscured or completely hidden by glare, by other things on or along the road, by the cars roof pillars, the handicap hangtag, or by other traffic. Of course, not all drivers "think motorcycles" and make the effort to look that extra bit harder to see if there might be a motorcyclist hidden by that obscuration or in their blind spot. Instead of assuming that they will ignore you even when they see you, you should help make it easier for drivers to spot you, especially as the population ages and more drivers have greater difficulty in picking you out. To overcome the fact that you might be hard to see and harder to notice, wear bright colors, especially on your helmet and jacket. Run your high beam during the day. Think about things that can hide you and your bike from other drivers, things that can be as common as the sun behind you, the car ahead in the next lane, or a couple of roadside poles that line up on the driver's line of sight toward you. Make an effort to ride in or move to a location where drivers with potentially conflicting courses can see you before they stray your way. Myth 2: Loud Pipes Save Lives Yeah, there are a few situations—like where you are right next to a driver with his window down who is about the to change lanes—where full-time noise-makers might help a driver notice you, but all that noise directed rearward doesn't do much in the most common and much more dangerous conflict where a car turns in front of you. Maybe it's the fatigue caused by the noise, maybe it's the attitudes of riders who insist on making annoying noise, or perhaps loud bikes annoy enough drivers to make them aggressive. Whatever the reason, the research shows that bikes with modified exhaust systems crash more frequently than those with stock pipes. If you really want to save lives, turn to a loud jacket or a bright helmet color, which have been proven to do the job. Or install a louder horn. Otherwise, just shut up. Myth 3: Motorcycle Helmets Break Necks It seems logical—you put more weight out there on the end of your neck and when you get thrown off
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RE: Solve my Helmet Debate - 1/23/2008 5:39:56 PM
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pacemaker
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Years a go, it was not compulsary here to wear a bike helmet, even if you did, they where all open face & with no standards, where crap anyway. So like everyone else I rode without a helmet & can honestly say that even without touching on the safety aspect from having an "off", Just being able to ride without, bugs, rocks, lit cigarette butts, bird shit & pelting rain etc, being blasted into your face at 60 mph, is more than enough reason by itself to wear a helmet. As for statistics, you can get them to say wot ever you want them to. For someone to say that wearing a helmet isn't safer than not, they must have been dropped on their heads when they where babies, (& if they where wearing a helmet, probably never have mattered)
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