RE: loweing without losing handling???
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RE: loweing without losing handling??? - 2/13/2008 8:02:18 AM
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bignibb
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well I actually purchased mine off e-bay from PPM and it was excelent quality and had a great finish. the only thing that I can use to best explain the characteristics of a lowered bike is that its like imagine a guy on a bicycle that is regular size but 10 feet in the air and now imagine a guy on a regular bicycle, now imagine them both riding a blind S turn! the idea I hope you get is the guy on the raised bike has to lean over further to make the same turn and has to maintain a certain speed to keep the bike from going over and that speed is more than the guy on the stock bike because his bike takes less time to return to an up right position. if any of this makes sense them I doing good. the other thing is a lowered bike gives a lower center of gravity plus more confidence for the rider, which increases in rider performance and yes I lowered the front with just the forks being slid up, I also adjust the rebound and dampening to make it ride like it did before the shorter dampening and rebound.
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RE: loweing without losing handling??? - 2/13/2008 12:00:10 PM
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PYRO929
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First off.... thanks for all the help, and sorry for all the newb questions.... But if i were to get a dog bone and lower the bike an inch, then drop the forks, how should i readjust the rebound and dampening if im 5'9" about 165lbs...??? o yeah btw i def. gave you my vote for ride of the month... gotta support the 929s!!
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RE: loweing without losing handling??? - 2/13/2008 1:21:32 PM
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1999cbr600f4
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I just had my bike raised back up to stock and will sell you the parts that came off of it...I am 6'3" and it was lowered an apparent 2" or so. I am not too sure what came off, but the guy said the parts were mine to pick up whenever I go get the bike. I will probably be doing this within the next two weeks if it gets nice out, otherwise it is going to sit at the shop for the rest of this month and the beginning of next month.
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RE: loweing without losing handling??? - 2/13/2008 2:33:00 PM
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PlayfulGod
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ORIGINAL: bignibb well I actually purchased mine off e-bay from PPM and it was excelent quality and had a great finish. the only thing that I can use to best explain the characteristics of a lowered bike is that its like imagine a guy on a bicycle that is regular size but 10 feet in the air and now imagine a guy on a regular bicycle, now imagine them both riding a blind S turn! the idea I hope you get is the guy on the raised bike has to lean over further to make the same turn and has to maintain a certain speed to keep the bike from going over and that speed is more than the guy on the stock bike because his bike takes less time to return to an up right position. if any of this makes sense them I doing good. the other thing is a lowered bike gives a lower center of gravity plus more confidence for the rider, which increases in rider performance and yes I lowered the front with just the forks being slid up, I also adjust the rebound and dampening to make it ride like it did before the shorter dampening and rebound. nice theory. But its wrong. The lower a bike is to the ground the less it can lean. So the lowered bike will be scraping parts like a big ol fat harley while the stock height bike will be around the corner and gone. You all can lower you bikes. But please get the facts straight when telling everyone else and their brother it doesnt affect handling, when in fact it does.
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RE: loweing without losing handling??? - 2/13/2008 6:17:55 PM
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mikey1297
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it appears that everyone on this forum is a engineer lol
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RE: loweing without losing handling??? - 2/13/2008 7:20:42 PM
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bobjoezx
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just because you dont know it's changed your handeling doens't mean it didn't..
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RE: loweing without losing handling??? - 2/13/2008 9:30:00 PM
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bignibb
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well I guess this therory will be better, most rider can't ride like Nicky Hayden, and even with a lowered bike the tires will reach their lean limit and cause the bike to slide on its side before the lowering of the bike actually comes into play. the benefit to the lowered bike in this therory is that with the bike being lowered, your knee will touch sooner thus stoping you from over leaning and causing the catastrophic aftermath we love to see in AMA racing. now if your tires will ride on there side walls then you can throw out my therory but the bottom line is that the lowering of a motorcycle won't affect the adverage rider and I think the real issue here is the fact that the nay sayers here refuse to accept the fact that no matter how good they are, they are still just ADVERAGE!!!!!
< Message edited by bignibb -- 2/13/2008 9:39:01 PM >
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RE: loweing without losing handling??? - 2/13/2008 10:18:00 PM
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PlayfulGod
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ORIGINAL: bignibb well I guess this therory will be better, most rider can't ride like Nicky Hayden, and even with a lowered bike the tires will reach their lean limit and cause the bike to slide on its side before the lowering of the bike actually comes into play. the benefit to the lowered bike in this therory is that with the bike being lowered, your knee will touch sooner thus stoping you from over leaning and causing the catastrophic aftermath we love to see in AMA racing. now if your tires will ride on there side walls then you can throw out my therory but the bottom line is that the lowering of a motorcycle won't affect the adverage rider and I think the real issue here is the fact that the nay sayers here refuse to accept the fact that no matter how good they are, they are still just ADVERAGE!!!!! No I am sub average, but the fact still remains lowering a bike reduces its handling performance. Facts are facts, not just nay saying. How the rider rides would determine if they will actually notice the loss tho is agreed tho. But you dont have to be Nicky Hayden to notice it or to know it.
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RE: loweing without losing handling??? - 2/14/2008 3:50:02 AM
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mikey1297
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ORIGINAL: PlayfulGod quote:
ORIGINAL: bignibb well I guess this therory will be better, most rider can't ride like Nicky Hayden, and even with a lowered bike the tires will reach their lean limit and cause the bike to slide on its side before the lowering of the bike actually comes into play. the benefit to the lowered bike in this therory is that with the bike being lowered, your knee will touch sooner thus stoping you from over leaning and causing the catastrophic aftermath we love to see in AMA racing. now if your tires will ride on there side walls then you can throw out my therory but the bottom line is that the lowering of a motorcycle won't affect the adverage rider and I think the real issue here is the fact that the nay sayers here refuse to accept the fact that no matter how good they are, they are still just ADVERAGE!!!!! No I am sub average, but the fact still remains lowering a bike reduces its handling performance. Facts are facts, not just nay saying. How the rider rides would determine if they will actually notice the loss tho is agreed tho. But you dont have to be Nicky Hayden to notice it or to know it. so how many of our bikes have you riden?
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RE: loweing without losing handling??? - 2/14/2008 7:35:54 AM
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bignibb
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I'm at the point where I am will to drop it! every bike I have owned has been lowered except for the 87vfr and the 88fzr other than that they all have been adversly changed and handling really sucked, so much that I kept doing it to every other bike I bought!
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RE: loweing without losing handling??? - 2/14/2008 9:44:49 AM
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KidCr3nshaw
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I've ridden a lowered R6. I alos rode it 2 hourse earlier before we lowered it. Here's the difference at 2 inches. When you're going into a slow speed turn (city type riding), it's like you're on a friggin' balance beam trying not to fall off. You go to make a turn and it feels like the front wheel is going to tuck under you. Yeah, you can get used to it but... Never ridden a stretched bike. I'm like D.O.T. man, I've got standards.
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RE: loweing without losing handling??? - 2/14/2008 9:59:42 AM
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PlayfulGod
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ORIGINAL: bignibb I'm at the point where I am will to drop it! every bike I have owned has been lowered except for the 87vfr and the 88fzr other than that they all have been adversly changed and handling really sucked, so much that I kept doing it to every other bike I bought! my guess is you ride striaght up most of the tyme n to bike night. I ride in the mountains and the twisties, where you actaully can use these bikes for what they were designed to do. I am no engineer but I know enough to know what affects a bike. You lower it, it reduces lean angle, changes the rake of the forks, which affects steering. For your 2" lowered bike to be able to lean as much as mine you would have to raise your pegs, n pray your exhaust dont scrap.
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RE: loweing without losing handling??? - 2/14/2008 10:31:31 AM
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1999cbr600f4
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+1...it's common sense...lowered bikes have parts closer to the ground...by whatever you lowered it by...you have a better chance of scraping everything...the bike was designed a certain way for a reason, to be all around a good bike on highway and twisties, and I am sure everyone has ridden on both. A stretched and slammed bike will do better in straight lines/highways, a stock bike will do better in the twisties. I will not ride a lowered bike for several reasons, but being 6'3" is the biggest concern. I also know it changes the way the bike handles...same as a car. $.02
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RE: loweing without losing handling??? - 2/14/2008 1:20:21 PM
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bignibb
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Blue Ridge Park Way, Shenandoah< and basically any curvy road i can find. im not really sure what a bike night is, because i ride for my enjoyment and not to sit around and talk about the last time i road my bike. i do ride in straight lines! curvy ones, zig zags, and in circles(maybe those circles might be around you LOL) now KidCr3nshaw not every lowered bike handles the same and how you road that R6 may not be how it behaves when im on it. My 929 is set up so that the drop is progressive from the fron to the back. The front has more of a downward slope thus making it a lil harder to whillie but easier to get out of the hole. now everyone with a stock bike and the muscles to do so go lean your bike on its side until it touches the foot peg. now check the contact patch of the tire. now stand you bike back up. get all your gear on and take it for a ride and have a friend take a picture of you leaning that far over without crashing. "Never ridden a stretched bike. I'm like D.O.T. man, I've got standards." but doesnt make them high though lol which part of my exhaust should i worry about scraping? there is a rear foot peg back there. im telling you you will lose tire traction before the lean angle would come into play. but anyways beleive what you will and ill ride like i ride. the difference between us is i can ride my bike with it being lowered as if it was made that way and i can ride yours too!
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RE: loweing without losing handling??? - 2/14/2008 1:45:27 PM
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PlayfulGod
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ORIGINAL: bignibb Blue Ridge Park Way, Shenandoah< and basically any curvy road i can find. im not really sure what a bike night is, because i ride for my enjoyment and not to sit around and talk about the last time i road my bike. i do ride in straight lines! curvy ones, zig zags, and in circles(maybe those circles might be around you LOL) now KidCr3nshaw not every lowered bike handles the same and how you road that R6 may not be how it behaves when im on it. My 929 is set up so that the drop is progressive from the fron to the back. The front has more of a downward slope thus making it a lil harder to whillie but easier to get out of the hole. now everyone with a stock bike and the muscles to do so go lean your bike on its side until it touches the foot peg. now check the contact patch of the tire. now stand you bike back up. get all your gear on and take it for a ride and have a friend take a picture of you leaning that far over without crashing. "Never ridden a stretched bike. I'm like D.O.T. man, I've got standards." but doesnt make them high though lol which part of my exhaust should i worry about scraping? there is a rear foot peg back there. im telling you you will lose tire traction before the lean angle would come into play. but anyways beleive what you will and ill ride like i ride. the difference between us is i can ride my bike with it being lowered as if it was made that way and i can ride yours too! Now most of that I can agree on :lol: but I have dug a peg into the pavement n lowsided (Deal's Gap), and thats the only reason the rear tire gave way. Grant it at the tyme I wasnt hangin off like I should have (was being lazy) but I seen ppl dragging pegs and/or toes n the tires holding just fine lol. You must not be too far from me by where you like to ride.
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