RE: Demon Eyes- how to (1000RR) -lots of pics
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RE: Demon Eyes- how to (1000RR) -lots of pics - 3/26/2008 1:41:19 PM
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scattabrain
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Has anyone had problems with their home made angel eyes melting on them?
I just wondered how much heat comes off the headlights of the bike, and would it be strong enough to melt or warp the blind rods at all?
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RE: Demon Eyes- how to (1000RR) -lots of pics - 3/26/2008 2:35:59 PM
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well i'm putting in HID's into my bike today (which "they" say takes less power and produces less temp) but a standard headlight might start to disfigure them (when they are in the oven at 350 - right when 3 minute rolls around, they will start to bend back and forth (if you oven them once and couldnt get it perfectly circle, you repeat the step in the oven) and this is where you still it start to bend back to it's straight position.. But I couldn't see a headlight produces that much temperature to disfigure them. Maybe other types of methods (like the real angel eyes that are neon bulbs) i've read about one of those types melting due to heat..
im still working on the angel eyes myself.. i went thru about 3 sets of rings (hey, you cant master this on the first try) i finally got a set that looks descent and is up to par. they are "alittle" short but i'm gonna see if they look nice (onarom did full circles, mine are 3/4's because i SUCK at measuring haha) and now im just waiting for superbrites to send the LED's (dont buy those 2.99 knock off LED's, a good intensity is at least 6,000mcd+) also they are 5mm LED's.. you can go to Fry's or radioshack and they will have some nice ones that are around $1-2 per LED.. http://www.superbrightleds.com/leds.htm they have the best variety (except for blues) and are pretty cheap per LED (you get a discount when buying more then 10+, which you should always have extras)
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RE: Demon Eyes- how to (1000RR) -lots of pics - 3/26/2008 8:45:51 PM
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Onarom
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I used a small drill piece that came with my dremel tool. I would drill a little bit and then break off any melted plastic from the bit and drill some more. It was a bit of a pain and I messed up two of my rings while trying to get the technique down. I would also use a heat gun to help the LED's fit a little better into the drilled holes.
I used 5mm LEDs which is a tight ft into the rings.
I tried cutting the indents into the rods before lacing them in the oven, but they bubbled up on me and ruined (another) set of rings/eyes.
I run with my low-beams off and I turn on my hi-beam at night. I haven't had any melting problems yet. I really don't think that the headlight will get that hot, otherwise the adhesive used to seal the light assemble would also melt. - BUT I might be wrong...
Vermino- be sure to post some pics when you are done! I think that the yellow will look great on your bike!
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RE: Demon Eyes- how to (1000RR) -lots of pics - 3/26/2008 9:43:43 PM
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Vermino
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I used a small drill piece that came with my dremel tool. I would drill a little bit and then break off any melted plastic from the bit and drill some more. It was a bit of a pain and I messed up two of my rings while trying to get the technique down. I would also use a heat gun to help the LED's fit a little better into the drilled holes.
I was having the same problem (i used the smallest drill bit that the dremel tool came with) and yeah, melt plastic would get on the tip of the bit and you would have to stop and peel it off or let it fling off (rarely happens) i melted one of my rings because the bit got too hot inside the hole - but i sliced the piece off and started to drill a new hole to practice more.
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I used 5mm LEDs which is a tight ft into the rings.
yeah - 3mm would be too difficult unless you hot-glued them in, but the glue would probbly dim the sh*t out of the LED's
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I tried cutting the indents into the rods before lacing them in the oven, but they bubbled up on me and ruined (another) set of rings/eyes.
I actually had NO problem with my oven (i used my kitchen over on an grease pan *the kitchen kind* and a layer of tin foil on top so it didnt melt or stick) i would pre-heat to 350 degrees and then put it in for 5 minutes.. you can tell when the rods are almost ready because they will bow alittle bit and THEN go back to being straight - when this happens, take them out and shape it around your shape. (Never pull it around the object nor press down - this will twist, disfigure or mis-shape your ring.) best thing to do is take it out quickly, put it around the object and then wrap it around as fast as you can but with "NO FORCE" - if it starts to harden up, STOP and put it back on the tray and reheat for another 4-5 minutes.. this will make the rod take it's straight form (somewhat) but will make it fexible again and you will just do it again.. (you ARE gonna screw some rings up, so just experiment and have fun the first few times) if you are ballzy - you can take off your guard-plate on your stove-top and set the flame to medium-low and soften certain areas of your ring like that (if it has a small twist.. scrap it if it has an indent from force/fingers or some major flaw in it) doing the flame technique takes some time to learn too, but it saved one of my rings.
just FYI, a flame WILL start to melt the plastic indents that you carved into it - so becareful.
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I run with my low-beams off and I turn on my hi-beam at night. I haven't had any melting problems yet. I really don't think that the headlight will get that hot, otherwise the adhesive used to seal the light assemble would also melt. - BUT I might be wrong...
Vermino- be sure to post some pics when you are done! I think that the yellow will look great on your bike!
agrees with onarom - i couldnt see these melting even from high-beams.. MAYBE if it was a 117 degree day and you had hi-beams on mid-day, it could possibly happen.
also, i'll post the pics of each color (i got White, Blue and Yellow LED's comming - all around 10K MCD) i wanted to pick up the infra-red and UV led but i seriously dont want to see what kind of fluids have been on people's cars HAHA. I'm also thinking about hooking up a interface audible controller to the angel eyes and turn the sensivity all the way down. So when I start to revv my engine the eyes will glow like it's getting mad (it's an experiment, we will see how it works out)
edited - PS. I've also thought about doing a mold so i can just make multiple rings without going thru the process everytime (i got a couple of buddies that want them but dont want to fork out $100+ for them)
here is some pics of one of my rings (that isnt going into the head-lights, but the LED's are BRIGHT.. it's a "Coast" blue LED 10,000MCD)
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RE: Demon Eyes- how to (1000RR) -lots of pics - 3/27/2008 8:08:34 AM
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Very nice pictures and nice write up
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RE: Demon Eyes- how to (1000RR) -lots of pics - 4/4/2008 5:47:08 PM
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Onarom
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[slightly off-topic] I just went to 1000RR.net and they HATE the angel eyes. Seriously, one guy posted a link to here and they deleted it saying "no more lame attempts to get people over there"....  I think someone is missing the bigger picture- its not one site vs another, its about groups of people talking about the things they love
I understand that some people are not going to like them, but 4 pages of bashing on a guy who posted a photo of his angel eyes. I just wanted to say that I am glad that this forum is not like that!
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RE: Demon Eyes- how to (1000RR) -lots of pics - 4/5/2008 12:16:16 AM
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Vermino
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[slightly off-topic] I just went to 1000RR.net and they HATE the angel eyes. Seriously, one guy posted a link to here and they deleted it saying "no more lame attempts to get people over there".... I think someone is missing the bigger picture- its not one site vs another, its about groups of people talking about the things they love
I understand that some people are not going to like them, but 4 pages of bashing on a guy who posted a photo of his angel eyes. I just wanted to say that I am glad that this forum is not like that!
agreed - it's a personal opinion if you like them or not.. but i have to say, this mod take some time to get done. which brings me to my updated project - I glued, installed and got everything assembled (even put a blue LED toggle switch to turn them on and off) i hooked it up to the battery, put the seat on and then flipped the switch...............
  - this was me for about 2 hours, I FORGOT THE RESISTORS!!!!!!! i was just at the edge where i wanted to kick my bike over, but instead i threw the screwdriver at the trashcan to get some anger out...
So now i'm back at square one... (i will post some pics of the eyes, but LED are burnt out - so have to get back in and replace them) ok let me go down the list for ya guys..
- when glueing in the eyes onto the headlight covers, ONLY USE MASKING TAPE.. using electrical tape or any type of tape with REAL sticky Adhesive on the headlight cover lens itself will rub off onto it and you WILL not get it off (i have scarred my headlight lens because i positioned and taped my eyes down)
- I tried to use alot of Foil Duct Tape to cover the backside of the angel eyes, but no use - when the headlights are on with angel eyes, they are drowned out by my HIDS (i have 80K HID's) i'm going to try a different method next time around to see if i can get them to be "more visible" with the HIDs...
- the HID's havent melted the eyes or the glue that is holding them up, and i rode for about 2 hours with brights on..
so my second attempt is gonna be with a brighter MCD (bright yellow 30,000MCD - which is 3 times brighter then what i'm using now and hoping it's more of a gold yellow rather then amber). Also i'm going to figure out a method to stop the HID's drowning out the LED eyes. Also I did go pretty small on the eyes, I do like them - but i could swear my bike looks like a mental challenged person with those eyes looking crossed eyed and small haha (yes, i'm a harsh critic to myself) but i'm going to make the next set probably an inch bigger in diameter.. Also this time, I won't forget the resistors - I wrote on the positive termial cord "Resistors idoit"
For the headlight covers that are scarred because of an amateur attempt from me - i'm going to invest into some tint covers on them so you cant see the smudge unless i can find another set of them for cheap. But hey, who hasn't screwed up on a DIY before? I just hope people learn from MY mistakes.
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RE: Demon Eyes- how to (1000RR) -lots of pics - 4/6/2008 2:40:10 AM
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carbonrrpilot
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awesome work onarom, well detailed, ive stolen very few ideas from other bikes but this is one im doing, i already have my headlights glow blue but the would look waaaay beter with yer setup too, very nice work
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RE: Demon Eyes- how to (1000RR) -lots of pics - 4/6/2008 3:16:57 AM
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carbonrrpilot
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heres how my lights look now, the ring would look sick, im doing a yellow and blue 1000RR with blue headlights, i wonder how a yellow ring would look, aaaa yea, i think ill try it!! ill post a pic when done. again excellent how-to!!! THANKS
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RE: Demon Eyes- how to (1000RR) -lots of pics - 4/7/2008 11:47:40 AM
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OsinO
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Hello Everyone,
I am seriously considering doing this mod - I have an '01 600CBRF4i which has a different headlight assembly (only one angel eye per side) although I know the procedure will be similar, I want to ask a few things and get some opinions from those of you who know:
1.) What LUMINOUS INTENSITY(mcd) do you guys suggest?
2.) Someone mentioned using a 1/4 watt 270 ohm resistor for the LED's - is this correct? Does it depend on the mcd of the LED?
3.) Once I am done I should have 4 wires running out of the back of each angel eye (if I choose not to do serial connection between the two led's) - can someone post some more detail as to where these ends need to hook up for power? I don't have an "eye" in the centre like the original poster does. I would also like to put a switch on them.
4.) What technique are you guys using to secure your angel eye's to the headlight housing? Kiker14 mentioned using surgical wire... I can picture myself making a mess with the epoxy in the headlight housing while trying to position and place the eyes...
I really appreciate any help/input...
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RE: Demon Eyes- how to (1000RR) -lots of pics - 4/7/2008 2:34:36 PM
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Vermino
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1.) What LUMINOUS INTENSITY(mcd) do you guys suggest?
I would suggest the highest MCD you can find... now your headlights WILL probably drown out the light from the angel eyes while running the bike - but you could live the eyes on if you are parking it for 5-10 minutes.. I'm going to get 30K MCD in a few, so i hope my HID's wont drown out the led's in the eyes while running. But brighter is ALWAYS better - the highest MCD output i've seen is from http://www.besthongkong.com/ . I'm still looking around the internet for higher MCD's but seems like they have the highest (they say), but haven't ordered from them yet.
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2.) Someone mentioned using a 1/4 watt 270 ohm resistor for the LED's - is this correct? Does it depend on the mcd of the LED?
electrical is not my strong point, i understand the concept but when you start throwing out watts, volts, ohm's, blah blah blah i become confused... if your gonna have just "One Eye" in each headlight - then you will have 2 LED's per headlight, for a 18K MCD LED - i put them on a 200ohm and nothing went wrong (resistors are pretty cheap, you can get them for a $1 - so buy a few packs like 250's,200's,180's) and then just test your LED's before you start making your eyes... If you connect them as a series, you can use less ohm resistors (like onarom said, he didnt need a resistor with 8 LEDs - from what i remember on the DIY post, he might of put one in tho, but they were ALL in a series)
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3.) Once I am done I should have 4 wires running out of the back of each angel eye (if I choose not to do serial connection between the two led's) - can someone post some more detail as to where these ends need to hook up for power? I don't have an "eye" in the centre like the original poster does. I would also like to put a switch on them.
no you dont have 4 wires running out the back of each eye... you have 2 wires (negative and positive) running off the eye - it takes alittle more time to make the series but it's worth it to get rid of 2 other wires. Please watch the video to understand how to do the series (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=980547339061120203) *watch 6:35 and on to figure out how to do a series on your LED*
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4.) What technique are you guys using to secure your angel eye's to the headlight housing? Kiker14 mentioned using surgical wire... I can picture myself making a mess with the epoxy in the headlight housing while trying to position and place the eyes...
Any two-part epoxy works great - especially if it self-mixes when pushing on the springe. make sure you secure the angel eyes before applying the epoxy ( AND USE MASKING TAPE!!!!) if any other tape touches the inside of the headlight lens, it will leave a smudge and you will never get it out. It's not really difficult to apply the epoxy - it's more about securing the eyes without taping it to the lens itself. (if it's not secure and moves around, the epoxy takes alot longer to dry, especially if you are holding the eye in place - trust me, you wont stay perfectly still for 7 minutes, I tried)
the switch part is pretty easy, just pick up a toggle switch or whatever you want. The switch should have 3 prongs on it, which is positive(+), negative(-), and application positive(a+).
-The (+) goes to your bike 12v battery red(+),
-The (-) goes to your bike 12v battery black(-), Also your angel eye negative(-) wires go to the negative(-) on the toggle switch (no reason to send two more wires ALL the way to the battery)
-The (a+) goes to your angel eyes for postive power.. when you turn the switch on, the switch will make a complete circuit and send out t
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RE: Demon Eyes- how to (1000RR) -lots of pics - 4/7/2008 6:43:36 PM
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Onarom
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+1 on everything Vermino said. I checked out this resistor site [link], and without knowing exactly what LED's you are going to buy, it suggested a 470ohm resistor wired like this:
   
carbonrrpilot- I like the LED accents (not to mention your camera setup). I am thinking about doing some of those as well.
Vermino- Sorry to hear about your misfortune! Any luck getting yours redone?
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RE: Demon Eyes- how to (1000RR) -lots of pics - 4/7/2008 8:33:46 PM
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OsinO
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Thanks so much for your input Vermino and Onarom, particularly Vermino for letting us learn from his mistakes.
Vermino - have you considered using "Goo Gone" to get rid of the gunk/smudge left behind by the other tape you used?
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RE: Demon Eyes- how to (1000RR) -lots of pics - 4/7/2008 10:33:45 PM
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Vermino
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Thanks so much for your input Vermino and Onarom, particularly Vermino for letting us learn from his mistakes.
Vermino - have you considered using "Goo Gone" to get rid of the gunk/smudge left behind by the other tape you used?
well i used electric tape figuring i would just fly by (and not have to go back to home depot to pick up masking tape) but for my haste, that's what i get.. I've used carb cleaner and polish remover (trust me, my profession deals with alot of carb cleaner for gum removals.. so figured it would work) people told me i could buff it out, but i'll try it out when i open her up again for a 2nd time. Also it's not any gunk on it anymore, the carb cleaner wiped that off QUICKLY - it's the after effect of the solvent that left a blemish on the lens that i can feel with my fingers when you run it across it..
just like onarom said, go for a higher resistor at first and ALWAYS test on some of the spare LED's (that mean you need to buy more then you need, trust me - it's worth it... look at me, now im looking for more) but buy your LED's and then go to your local Fry's and pick up a couple of sets of resistors (there only $1 per pack which is like 50 resistors). I would setup a trial series like onarom picture shows and then hook up a 12v source to it (usually a battery charger) and then you can start with 400ohm and start going down from there (i believe going lower lets more "volts is it?" in and let you LED's become brighter) intill you find your ideal resistor (you will know when you blow a LED haha)
And i'm going to start the project again in a week or so... i'm trying to work my @$$ off right now to afford a sandrail - so no time to open up the headlights and bring in a new set...
take your time OsinO - his DIY might of been a couple of paragraph, but myself - i took at least a week (an hour or two every day) to do it... so measure and test as much as you can till you think it's perfect
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RE: Angel Eyes/Demon Eyes- how to (1000RR) -lots of pics - 4/11/2008 6:34:59 AM
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Ok, im love the guide but i was wondering... outside of style is there any other reason that these need to be circles? I was goin to play with some designs for example a N insted of the traditional O shape... I tryed to make an example in paint, please forgive the horrible gfx work lol.. Any thoughts on this concept, will it work?
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