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RE: Weird 954 problem - 3/29/2008 9:39:28 AM

skarocka

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CHECK THAT GREEN ONE GOOD I M GOING OVER THE DIAGRAM NOW THERE HAS TO BE A SHORT OR BRAKE SOMEWHERE LOOK TO SEE IF IT WAS OVER HEATED SOME WHERE DISCOLOR IN THE SHEILD CAUSE THE LIGHTS AND FUEL PUMP ARE ALL ON THE SAME CIRCUIT TRY TO FIND THE END OF THE WIRE ON BOTH SIDE AND CHECK THE RESISTANCE IN THE WIRE (OHMS) TRY DISCONNECTING THE FUEL PUMP AND SEE IF THE LIGHTS COME ON AND THE OTHER WAY AROUND LOOK AT THE DIAGRAM ON THE GREEN WIRE CHECK ANYTHING THAT IS CONNECTED TO IT MAKE SURE THE FUEL PUMP ISNT SHORTING OUT I KNO ON PLANES THEY DO SOMETIMES RARE BUT I HAVE SEEN IT BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD BE BELOW THAT CAUSE THE POWER GOES EVERYWHERE ELSE CHECK THE BUS'S AND SUCH JUST TRYIN TO GIVE YOU A LIL DIRECTION TO GO IN I WILL LOOK OVER SOME MORE ILL POST IF I SEE ANY THING ELSE

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RE: Weird 954 problem - 3/29/2008 9:51:43 AM

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Have you not explored the possibility that the fuel pump simply went bad?

I know I've had two go out on me in my days. One in my Mustang, and one in my Galant. Both cases I simply went to start the car and nothing. Fuel pumps don't indicate their going bad - they just go.

Is there anyway you can get another one to test it? I've got a spare but you'd have to pay shipping to and fro, lol.

Just a suggestion that I hadn't seen explored.

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RE: Weird 954 problem - 3/29/2008 10:42:47 AM

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OK, battery has 12.40v at the terminals. Headlights have 0v at the plugs, FP has 0v at the plug, tip over is bypassed and is getting voltage on the bypass side of the plug (so i know its working there)...Whatever it is, something is stopping voltage from getting to the FP plug, but at the same time is stopping my headlights from working..........Taillight, blinkers and horn work perfect...No high beam or low beam on headlights.....Gauges work also, but appears the LED's are pretty dim (dont seem bright like they use to be).....=-)

Still chasing.....Let me know of the ideas ya come up with. I'll check thiem as im going...=-)

Thanks

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RE: Weird 954 problem - 3/29/2008 10:44:57 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: KidCr3nshaw

Have you not explored the possibility that the fuel pump simply went bad?

I know I've had two go out on me in my days. One in my Mustang, and one in my Galant. Both cases I simply went to start the car and nothing. Fuel pumps don't indicate their going bad - they just go.

Is there anyway you can get another one to test it? I've got a spare but you'd have to pay shipping to and fro, lol.

Just a suggestion that I hadn't seen explored.

FP can go bad, i never doubted that. This is why i unplugged the FP and checked voltage at the connector (no voltage). Also IF i hardwrire the FP straight to the battery, the FP will kick on, bike turns over, but still no crank...So in this case we know its not the FP.......Sorry, im not trying to be a smartazz, IF thats what it sounded like....=-)

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RE: Weird 954 problem - 3/29/2008 11:17:55 AM

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No, that's my fault. I missed that completely.

Move along... nothing more to see here...

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RE: Weird 954 problem - 3/29/2008 12:36:55 PM

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e more, where i can actually see things now...Green wire at the FP plug has a good connection to every point where it is suppose to connect. Also that green wire is the one that runs the tailight also. So since my taillight is working and brake light is working. Its safe to say the green wire is not a problem. IF there was an open or a short on the green wire, nothing on that wire would work because it would keep seeing the open or short (so scratch the green wire). HOwever, that still doesnt explain why my headlights do NOT work....Next up, Brown wire on the FP plug will turn into the Brown/Black wire at the fuel cut relay....I'm going test the connection from FP plug to that relay side and see what i get.....Since it clicks, i would say its "probably" good, but im going to check.............start/stop switch is next in line, but it looks good so far....=-)

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RE: Weird 954 problem - 3/29/2008 1:39:50 PM

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Missed a huge factor in all of the searching. Test your headlight realy. Bad headlight relay=no power to the front of the bike and also engauges the kill engine relay and that is why it wont start.

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RE: Weird 954 problem - 3/29/2008 1:59:07 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hcstreetriding

Missed a huge factor in all of the searching. Test your headlight realy. Bad headlight relay=no power to the front of the bike and also engauges the kill engine relay and that is why it wont start.

VERY good point and you are correct i did miss that. I will go check that ASAP....On another note...Green wire at the FP plug has 12.40v (voltage meter black on FP plug and red on battery)...And it has that 12.40v even if the key is off or on (does that make sense). I can also disconnect the tip over senor and it still has that 12.40v........I swear im missing something realy simple around here....=-)

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RE: Weird 954 problem - 3/29/2008 3:28:39 PM

skarocka

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ITS A 12 VOLT BATTERY SO U WILL HAVE 12 EVERWHERE IS THERE A STEP DOWN, GET YOUR MULTIMETER AND A ROLL OF TAPE AND START CHECKING EVERY WIRE I KNO ITS A LOT OF TIME BUT U SEEM TO HAVE DONE EVERYTHING ELSE CHECK ALL THE BUS CONNECTIONS SEEM TO BE ALOT THERE, ILL KEEP LOOKING OVER THE SCEMATICS FOR YA SEE IF I SEE NE THING

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RE: Weird 954 problem - 3/29/2008 3:45:29 PM

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Ok tell me whats wrong here......The blue and grey plugs at the upper wiring harness, where it connects to the main harness.....On the MAIN harness side of the blue plug. Theres a green/grey wire that i know IF its cut, it'll trip the tip over sensor....Anyways, on that wire on the MAIN side of the plug, there is ONLY 12.40v when i touch the black of the multimeter to that wire and the red of the multi meter to the battery (does that sound right). And that is with the key off or on.....Did i miss something else....=-)

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RE: Weird 954 problem - 3/29/2008 4:20:54 PM

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check the solenoid but there is always current just a matter of wether its used or not

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RE: Weird 954 problem - 3/29/2008 4:27:16 PM

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when u connect them u r completing the circuit

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RE: Weird 954 problem - 3/29/2008 5:29:47 PM

AAnderson

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CHECK your kill switch again. I thought I had the same problem back in the day. It sounds stupid, but if everything else works, just flip the kill switch and see if the fuel pump comes back on. It took me like 15 min to figure out I needed to flip the kill switch one day. Sounds stupid- yet might be the simplest solution.

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RE: Weird 954 problem - 3/30/2008 5:41:15 AM

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like Hcstreetriding stated, check that headlight relay!! jump it, sounds like it might be a bad ground cause of the cluster is dim, also check the ground connection under the the tank that's bolted to the frame, take it off and clean the conacts, and fire that bad boy up!

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RE: Weird 954 problem - 3/30/2008 9:18:43 AM

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Sooner or later i will figure it out. As always, its a process of elimination. But you wanna see something that will break your heart?...Heres some pics of my 03 European Edition 954rr toren to pieces, just because the damn thing doesnt turn the fuel pump on, LoL......Sucks when your minty bike is down to this point. That goodness i still have HER f4i, haha.....=-)