Riding on a bad CCT
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Riding on a bad CCT - 3/24/2008 2:58:19 PM
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Kevin48
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I have found a bunch of posts on the CCT noise and what to replace it with, but I am just wondering how bad it is to ride with the CCT going bad? I have an 01 F4i with 7400 miles, and I just ordered a new CCT from honda and I am waiting for the part to come in. Is it ok to still ride until I get the CCT replaced or are the chances of me destroying the engine high if I do ride it. Someone please give some advice. The last thing I need to do is destroy to engine over this $50 part.
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RE: Riding on a bad CCT - 3/24/2008 4:03:21 PM
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MC_spirited
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If the CCT grenaded an engine before 8000 miles, I think that we all would'nt have the respect for the quality that honda puts out. I bet that many people have many more miles on theirs with no change of the CCT. From what I understand, it is more of an annoyance and not a real issue until it gets severe. I just bought my F4i, I havn't rode it much. From the miles I did ride, I did not think anything was wrong with the CCT. Mine has ~26,000 on it. Just ride it and dont worry about it. If it bothers you just take it easy on the RPM's.
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RE: Riding on a bad CCT - 3/24/2008 5:12:38 PM
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dangerranger21
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Yeah I hear more sides on it being mostly an annoyance and nothing that is going to destroy your bike the next time you ride. I did hear somthing about replacing it at 15k miles though but who knows theres like a bazillion stories on this CCT with the f4i and its just not the f4i that has had this same prob.
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RE: Riding on a bad CCT - 3/25/2008 6:10:44 AM
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brveagle
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why push it?
mine caused the my piston to make contact with a valve.
but don't take my word on it. Go read on any other forums about failing cct's
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RE: Riding on a bad CCT - 3/25/2008 7:32:41 AM
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Tahoe SC
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didn't you say that it was the CCT that failed? cam chain tensioner is NOT cam chain tensioner lifter!!!!
do a search on the number of failures with the stock cctL (not just CCT...order a CCT and you get a totally different part) and you'll find guys who say their mechanic said this and that...
yes the noise is annoying...but rip off the head and measure cam chain tension...it will be within spec.
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RE: Riding on a bad CCT - 3/25/2008 10:55:56 AM
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brveagle
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Tahoe SC
didn't you say that it was the CCT that failed? cam chain tensioner is NOT cam chain tensioner lifter!!!!
do a search on the number of failures with the stock cctL (not just CCT...order a CCT and you get a totally different part) and you'll find guys who say their mechanic said this and that...
yes the noise is annoying...but rip off the head and measure cam chain tension...it will be within spec.
do you just thrive on "proving" everyone wrong with their cct theories?
Go back and read his posts. He asked about the CCT! I responded by saying that that is what happened to me.
What's the problem here?
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RE: Riding on a bad CCT - 3/25/2008 11:16:46 AM
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Tahoe SC
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quote:
ORIGINAL: brveagle
do you just thrive on "proving" everyone wrong with their cct theories?
Go back and read his posts. He asked about the CCT! I responded by saying that that is what happened to me.
What's the problem here?
chill out mang...
just trying to get clarification...hence i made the distinction between cct and cctl. didn't you say it was your cct that failed?
my point is the difference between cct and cctl.
based on your post here just now, it was your cct that failed correct?
i know the OP is talking about cctl and not the cct...because it's a common mistake.
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RE: Riding on a bad CCT - 3/26/2008 7:17:28 AM
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Jaybird180
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Okay I'm glad this discussion happened. Previously I thought that the CCT and CCTL were the same too. Please clear up what's harmful and what's not harmful to ignore and the different symptoms of each.
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RE: Riding on a bad CCT - 3/26/2008 7:37:02 AM
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Tahoe SC
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cctl rattles, but so far, of all the F4i's this occurred in, there has not been one case that i've heard of with proof that it had caused catastrophic failure as a few have posted without any back up information. those who have keep saying the mechanic mentioned cct...well then which one is it? cct or cctl?
Take a look at the microfiche, the cct and cctl are not the same part...i expect a mechanic to know the difference, otherwise stay away from a bike...yet, they still say cct instead of cctl.
now consider why no mandatory recall was ever instilled by honda...there's no safety issues with it...making a bike jump timing that can lead to all sorts of failures would indeed warrant a mandatory recall...but this is not the case.
the noise is just noise...and honda knows that as well. it's due to increased tolerances in the cotter pin at the tip, then the shaft of the cctl increasing in tolerance against the body of the cctl. if you extend the cctl completely, you can see the wear mark. while there are ways to lessen this, wear is wear and eventually after any fix, it will start to rattle again. so flaring the pin at the tip only works for so long before you hear noise due to shaft, etc. i've even had new cctl's with loose pins from factory.
other remedies that have worked i'm not too comfy with, this includes using APE or sticking a bolt to the rear of the oem unit to put extra tension and extend the cctl shaft some more. the stock unit knows how much to extend and when to extend and how much tension to put on the cam chain...increasing the tension to mitigate a cctl lacking tension is fine, but when the cause of the noise is not that, then it adds tension to the cam chain.
you want to read about failures...do a search about APE failures...that one is for real...with the poster being first hand account...and not "my mechanic said this and that"...is available at cbrworld.
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