RE: Cold + Gravel + 75" on new tires =
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RE: Cold + Gravel + 75" on new tires = - 4/3/2008 2:47:59 AM
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bluej511
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haha dam your not supposed to do it that much i just went around once or twice lol
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RE: Cold + Gravel + 75" on new tires = - 4/3/2008 5:50:03 PM
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simmadown
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So Since i went down the bike has felt kinda funny. Like the front end and back end are out of alignment. At first i thought it was me, but after 30 miles i was convinced something was up with the front end. I put it up on the stands and sure enough the front end is visibly out of alignment. When the triple tree is lined up square with the frame the front wheel looks to be off about 3-5 degress to the left (from the drivers seat) I took everything apart and reassembled 2 per the manual. The alignment got better but its still off. Now i have to wait till sunday to try again (i pull the forks completely out and put a strait edge on the shiny portion. Completely strait. I measured the distance the forks are extended about the triple tree to exactly 1.3 inches with calipers. Any advice i surely need it.
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RE: Cold + Gravel + 75" on new tires = - 4/3/2008 6:09:57 PM
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bluej511
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Have you checked your rim and axle for being bent? My guess would be the axle. Take the wheel off and spin it on 2 jack stands (if you have) spin it fast and slow look for any bends or any wobbling of any sort. Then take the axle out and put it thru the bottom of the forks and see if its bent at all by turning it.
If its not of that then maybe the steering nut needs to be tightened or the bearings in there might be ****ed up.
What exactly is the problem is it wobbling, is it pulling is it drifting whats it doing?
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RE: Cold + Gravel + 75" on new tires = - 4/4/2008 3:31:31 AM
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simmadown
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The wheel spins strait, the axle is fine. With the top triple tree centered on the bike (eyeballing it to the frame) The forks extend and the wheel is mounted. Now when you compare the wheel to the frame from the same position it looks tilted (i see more of the right brake rotor than the left) i placed a strait edge along the break rotor (flat surface) and ran it back to the fairing on both sides. On the right side of the bike, the straight edge strikes the fairing approximately 2.5 inches FURTHER back than the same procedure on the left rotor to the fairing. Indicating the same visual angle i see from the above test, that the wheel is tilted left.
I'm wondering if A) the triple trees are out of alignment forcing one fork more forward than the other. or B) a fork is bent somehwere after the shiney part, most likely at the joint. Although inserting the axle is easy and seems to allign well one fork to the other.
Blue, I'm gonna try to make it home for noon-oclock on sunday if you want to help me turn some wrenches.
Thanks guys.
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RE: Cold + Gravel + 75" on new tires = - 4/4/2008 4:13:34 AM
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bluej511
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Yea id have to come with the car though since its going to be cold. Im right up the street from saint gobain so i can follow you. Might have to take the forks completely out along with the wheel and make sure the triple tree isnt bent which if your saying that one side sticks out further then the front then it must be. Idk how true your forks would be then if the triple tree is bent.
Id like to come take a look though
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RE: Cold + Gravel + 75" on new tires = - 4/4/2008 8:45:18 AM
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Jaybird180
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After getting some crap on your tire, the best thing to remove it is dishwashing liquid and rinsing with water. You can clean the rims too while you're at it.
As far as the alignment goes, let us know what you find. It seems you've checked everything. When you disassemble the front end, be sure to follow Hondas procedure to reinstall. It's designed to help with alignment as I found out. Use the OEM specified torque values.
But just in case, I'd loosen the forks from the upper and lower trees. Check the steering stem nut, then reset the fork height and check that your preload is equal on both forks (stock is 3 lines showing). When she's all back together, double check that your compression setting (on bottom of fork) hasn't moved and that they are equal as well. Then recheck your rebound (top of fork) for the same.
Keep us posted.
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RE: Cold + Gravel + 75" on new tires = - 4/6/2008 8:59:24 AM
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simmadown
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Good News:
Bought a bigger socket set yesterday (for the steering stem nut) And got to working on it about 10 am today. Tore everything down (again) and took all the fairings off for good measure. Checked the forks for straitness again, good. Loosened the steering stem nut. Put the forks back in to factory height again(when i first took them off after the fall the right fork was about 2 mm higher than the left which was still at factory) Tightened them in to the correct torque(if you don;t have a torque wrench buy one, it's way better than guessing) Then tightened the steering stem nut. I put everything on that is necesarry to ride, no sense put on auxilarry shit only to have to remove it again, and took her out for a spin. Low and behold she goes strait, turnin is equaly easy to both sides, and pressure on the clipons feels even.
Bad News:
My stator cover has a small crack/leak in it. No oil on the floor after sitting for 4 days, and the bike has been up to temp 5 times since the accident. Only a small drop suspended on the cover. I will probably replace it on my next oil change unless it gets worse. Anyone got a stator cover?
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RE: Cold + Gravel + 75" on new tires = - 4/6/2008 6:57:12 PM
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Jaybird180
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Good Job on fixing the alignment.
Get that stator cover replaced. I couldn't for the life of me figure out where my oil leak was coming from. Turns out that I would only have oil seepage when the engine was running. And you know when that was???? WHILE RIDING!!!
So after going through 3 of them, I said heck with it and paid 2X the price of OEM and bought an NRC. Haven't dropped the bike since (at least not on stator cover).
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Ohlins, Racetech, Showa Suspension
Don''t go in the forest if you don''t want to go to Granny'
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RE: Cold + Gravel + 75" on new tires = - 4/6/2008 7:01:18 PM
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jimd2p
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Soft Scrub works awesome on the tires too. When I clean and wax my chain, I use it. Works really good.
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RE: Cold + Gravel + 75" on new tires = - 4/8/2008 4:57:47 PM
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simmadown
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BlueJ and i rode an hour one way on monday afternoon to pick up a new stator cover and Gasket from Chaplin Kawasaki. It was the closest dealer to me that had them in stock at the time. May was it cold on the way back. Credit to BlueJ for riding the whole time and not stopping to warm up. I use snowmobile gloves in cold weather, all he had were some warm weather shorties. The front end is still feeling good, everything seems to be all set there. Now to drain my oil and put on the new cover. The mirror should hopefully be here soon. Then besides a scuffed frame slider, she will be good as new!
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RE: Cold + Gravel + 75" on new tires = - 4/8/2008 5:51:39 PM
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bluej511
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I wouldnt even worry about that slider only like 1/8s of it came off if that. I just ordered my scorpion helmet in a small so should be here next week. I did try it on and it feels so much more solid and so comfortable.
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RE: Cold + Gravel + 75" on new tires = - 4/10/2008 6:15:25 PM
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simmadown
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New mirror came in from Jagmotorcycles on Ebay. Fast shipping, 3 days from Cali. Anyways its actually and aftermarket but looks near identical to the OEM. If anything i actually like it better because it has a slightly wider viewing angle and actually vibrates less than the stocker AND is easier to adjust. I may actually get a right one just because i like the increased visibility. This weekend I'll be draining the oil and putting on the new stator cover. BlueJ if you want to come over I'll probably be working on it saturday. Grand total for the fix so far: $93 and about 6 hours of wrenching. Not to bad.
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RE: Cold + Gravel + 75" on new tires = - 4/12/2008 7:04:29 PM
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simmadown
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Just replaced the stator cover and gasket. Had to drain and replace the oil, only had 400 miles since the last change. Flushed the coolant while i was at it. Sprayed it everywhere! So the only remaining evidence is the scuff on the frame slider.
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RE: Cold + Gravel + 75" on new tires = - 4/13/2008 6:59:50 AM
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Jaybird180
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The slider is like $6 bux. Whaddup??????
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ZG Dbl Bbbl, Galfer SS Lines, PC3r, Muzzy s/o, NRC cover, ShiftMinder(WTF?), Speedbleeders, Vortex sliders, fenderless, GP Shift
Ohlins, Racetech, Showa Suspension
Don''t go in the forest if you don''t want to go to Granny'
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