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Learning the "BP" - 4/27/2008 12:27:12 PM

Manny929

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I've been riding for about 8 months now and have been practicing wheelies for about 7. I started out learning to just pump the throttle on my 01 gsxr 750. Now i can power it up about 4ft and chase it for a little bit and i have no problems clutching either (a little nervious first couple of tries but then i loosen up) i can also do stand up power wheelies and drag for just a little bit as well but im too scared to go over my 4ft limit. everyone says "when you hit your balance point, YOU'LL KNOW IT" but that doesnt help me when i keep thinking "...ok, well what stops me from feeling the balance point for about .5 seconds then flipping backwards?"

What are ya'lls stories and experiences on how and when you found the BP? Im sure no one forgets the first time they found their BP and i want to hear it cuz hopefully it helps me get over my fears. oh and by the way, I own a 2002 954

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RE: Learning the "BP" - 4/27/2008 9:00:18 PM

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First of all what keeps you from flipping backwards is your rear brake, practice it, learn it, use it, love it. Sitting down for me (2nd or 3rd gear) is about when i cant see over the windshield anymore, the bike goes quiet and you just kinda float there, i just twitch the throttle and back brake to keep that feeling. Standing up is differant for me anyhow, i seem to rock in and out of bp using my body weight, sitting i seem to just hover there, but its the same quiet feeling.

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RE: Learning the "BP" - 4/27/2008 10:11:58 PM

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For me it's when the handle bars feel light (floating I guess), when under BP you can feel the weight of the bike in the bars, as soon as you hit it it the exhaust gets quiter (engine load is gone from pulling all the weight up) and that's when you ride or tap the rear brake and throttle to keep it there and yes you have to keep it there, it's not like a magic spot that it rides in all by itself.

BP is different for everyone, depends on your weight and position.

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RE: Learning the "BP" - 4/28/2008 2:24:07 PM

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so how easy is it to go from BP to flipping backwards. Is is something that you have to be an idiot and full throttle it over? or is it something that just a little mistake can send you back?

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RE: Learning the "BP" - 4/28/2008 3:52:55 PM

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when u can hold a wheelie at steady rpms and speed uve reached the BP. Just remember the faster u go the lower ur bp is, the slower u go the higher it is.
and the first time u think ur at bp trust me u still go ways to go. Just make sure to cover ur rear brake and remember to be smooth on the throtle

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RE: Learning the "BP" - 4/29/2008 7:51:22 AM

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quote:

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so how easy is it to go from BP to flipping backwards. Is is something that you have to be an idiot and full throttle it over? or is it something that just a little mistake can send you back?

yea its like medium twitch and ur ****ed... its really easy to crash if u dont know how to control the rear brake! believe me when i wheelie i use my rear brake more then i use my throttle.....

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RE: Learning the "BP" - 4/29/2008 11:46:03 AM

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quote:

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so how easy is it to go from BP to flipping backwards. Is is something that you have to be an idiot and full throttle it over? or is it something that just a little mistake can send you back?

If you're doing power wheelies you're much more likely to loop the bike (and you'll be going faster when you do). This is because when you hit your powerband the bike gets much more torquey and that is coupled with your bike being "lighter" because you are higher up...recipe for disaster. Pretty much all of the stunters you see in the videos and at competitions are doing clutch wheelies...this isn't just a coincidence. Good luck.

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RE: Learning the "BP" - 4/29/2008 1:57:25 PM

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so whats a good way to learn your balance point? going 10mph and clutching higher and higher until you float or going 30 mph and clutching 2nd gear? actually,.. i guess my first question should be: whats the best way to learn to depend on your rear brake. I think i speak for alot of beginners when i say my first reaction is to just let go of the gas. how did you guys learn to depend on your rear brake?
Ps. i really appreciate you guys helping me out with this, i'd rather learn these questions by Q&A than the hard way if you know what i mean

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RE: Learning the "BP" - 4/29/2008 2:55:14 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Manny929

so whats a good way to learn your balance point? going 10mph and clutching higher and higher until you float or going 30 mph and clutching 2nd gear? actually,.. i guess my first question should be: whats the best way to learn to depend on your rear brake. I think i speak for alot of beginners when i say my first reaction is to just let go of the gas. how did you guys learn to depend on your rear brake?
Ps. i really appreciate you guys helping me out with this, i'd rather learn these questions by Q&A than the hard way if you know what i mean

I felt better learning as slow as possible. Once I got the technique down, I started launching them from 5mph. And as far as the brake goes... I clutch it up hard... and catch the bp using the brake while still on the throttle. It has worked for now... but i've gone thru pads pretty quick. As I've been progressing I rely on the brakes a little bit less... but I'm still a brake whore.

I'm on to learning idle wheelies, and definately over brake. Idle is going to take me some time to get down.

So I guess I'd say this. Find the speed your bike comes up at in first gear... if it's 20, practice... and then try getting it to come up at 15.. when you have that down 10... 5... etc. It's hard to bring yourself to do at first... but the faster you launch it to BP the better.

And I've looped... so grain of salt there lol.

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RE: Learning the "BP" - 4/29/2008 5:47:03 PM

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unlike pixel 6 for me it was easier to flip the bike in lower speeds!!! ( when i did not know how to use the rear brake) dont ask me y it just was. i personaly i learned how to use it while i was in 2nd gear where i did not have to worrie about ranning out of rpms and just playing with the rear brake...but hey what ever feels easier for u! one thing TAKE UR TIME

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RE: Learning the "BP" - 4/29/2008 9:54:13 PM

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I had a hard time getting in the habit of using it also. I guess i trained myself by consiously using it to bring my bike back down from wheelies. Then i just practiced setting it down as softly as i could with just the rear brake control, then before i knew it i was comfortable with it and using it without thinking.

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RE: Learning the "BP" - 4/30/2008 1:53:20 AM

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quote:

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unlike pixel 6 for me it was easier to flip the bike in lower speeds!!!

I looped at about 15 mph.

Parking lot session working on keeping em slow. Brake failed... and like I said... I'm a brake whore lol. I shut down the throttle, but I don't have enough experience without the brake to know how to bring it back to earth.

I've learned since then that there are ways to recover without the brake... but well beyond my capability at the moment.

Slow crashes can be bad too...

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RE: Learning the "BP" - 4/30/2008 5:02:39 AM

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Ooh, I see... miscommunication here I think...

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It's hard to bring yourself to do at first... but the faster you launch it to BP the better.
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I didn't mean to imply a fast rolling speed there. I meant rather than clutching it 1 foot off the ground, and powering it up the rest of the way... It's better to clucth it hard enough to get all the way up to / past the bp, and use your brake to settle it there. Again, starting as slow as possible... i.e. 5mph.

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RE: Learning the "BP" - 4/30/2008 4:33:51 PM

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while we're on the topic, i have been practicing wheelies on my 05RR and it hasn't become a problem yet but how do disable the tip over sensor and does it really have to be done? I have read on different postings that we should, but i haven't been able to find any instructions on how to disable it. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

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RE: Learning the "BP" - 4/30/2008 8:43:09 PM

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^ unsure, you may try the 600 or 1k section, which ever you have, they get a lot more traffic there and someone may have the answer. If not go carouse stuntlife.com, i dont know if i would ask there lol, (they are hardcore) but i am positive the answer should be found there.

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