RE: Track virgin looking for best school?
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RE: Track virgin looking for best school? - 5/7/2008 5:27:04 PM
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Jaybird180
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IIRC it's his dad Reg (wan't he a former Champion too) who' a proponent of body steering and on the other side of the countersteering argument (led by Keith Code).
I recall reading somewhere that Jason's niche is on teaching trail braking.
He also is a big fan of 2up riding in schools. My trackday club pres. does it at trackdays also Cornerspeed does it too.
There's also a former WSBK champ that does 2up track rides for media at racing events (can't recall the name).
I think Jason's a cool dude from what I've seen of him. I think he golfs too much, but it is how he met and built a relationship with Jordan.
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RE: Track virgin looking for best school? - 5/14/2008 1:36:00 PM
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To answer the OP's question, IMO - STT is better for your first track day. Their beginner group is just that: for BEGINNERS. Do STT's day first, and stick with STT as long as you can w/o being bored in their beginner group.
Then go to NESBA. NESBA's "B" group is (generally) faster than STT's - the difference is the rules and structure of each org.
STT has more of a 'school' mentality. There is class time that's required, and there are a LOT of strict rules in their B group.
It also means that people clamour to get out of STT's B group as fast as they can, and they sign up for I too quickly, thus creating the 'dangerous' atmosphere people have warned about.
NESBA is kinda the opposite - there is less formal "teaching" in the B group. ASK FOR HELP FROM A "CONTROL RIDER." NESBA kind of assumes you're already pretty fast coming in (not a true beginner). I did my first track day with NESBA and was in over my head for the first 2 sessions.
3rd session, a control rider noticed me struggling and 'towed' me around the track. Alll of the sudden it was fun instead of scary.
all this being said, in NESBA, the 'wide range' of talent comes in the B group, because you have to be pretty darn good to be bumped up to I. STT is just kind of the opposite - wide range of talent in the I group because people want out of B so badly (and they let you choose on your own).
both are fantastic organziations, and once you're comfortable on the track, either will be great. I prefer NESBA, but that's just me. I've only done 1 weekend with STT, and it was at the same track i'd done with NESBA, so I was already dragging knees in the first session of the 'beginner' group - I still learned a lot. The instructors aren't stupid, but they're also not psychic. ASK FOR INSTRUCTION - seriously - i can't stress this enough. you're paying a LOT to get on the track. Make it worth your while and learn as much as you can.
and remember, it's supposed to be fun. not scary. not competative. not painful. some of my most 'fun' sessions were my slowest.
PM me if you have questiosn about either org, and get on their forums. Ask away. everyone is really nice and happy to answer "newbie" questions. I speak from experience on that one :)
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RE: Track virgin looking for best school? - 5/14/2008 3:45:35 PM
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Interesting perspective.
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RE: Track virgin looking for best school? - 5/27/2008 10:31:31 AM
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Cool thanks for all the great info!!! I'll check out STT first and do some beginner stuff then as soon as I can lap all the beginners I'll move on to the NESBA. =)
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RE: Track virgin looking for best school? - 5/27/2008 10:42:24 AM
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just wanted to follow up on my first experience with STT. I rode the I group with no problems or issues. everyone was safe, good clean passing. The STT organization really shined on the novice group though. One of the group that I went with it was her first time on the track, (my buddies wife) and she was extrememly nervous, and even had another rider (not a control rider) yell at her after like the first session. well, let me tell you. once the STT staff found out about this, they gave that guy the riot act, he did not have a good weekend.(turns out he was a general a-hole anway) She almost didnt get back on the track becuase of her nervousness and that guy. So the control riders spent alot of personalized time with her, hell she had her own coach on track most of the time, and by the end of the first day she was doing extremely well, passing people, and even completely wore off her chicken strips. Now she's addicted to track days like the rest of us.
long story short, STT really does take good care of the novice riders to ensure they feel comfortable and get all the free instruction they ask for. based on that expereince, I would say you cannot no go wrong atleast starting out with STT
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RE: Track virgin looking for best school? - 5/27/2008 10:52:01 AM
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Based on what everone has said, I'd have to agree with you that STT is a good start. I started with NESBA and now I'm with TeamPromotion. If I had to do it over again, I would have started with TPM from the beginning because of the classes they have. ALL DAY until the instructor graduates you, then you're clear to go on your own.
Keep in mind that whichever org you go with, the determining factor for moving up or demonstration of skill is not speed, it's smoothness and CONSISTENCY. Speed is a by-product of those. I've heard that soooooo many times and now I understand it. Yes, I'm fast, but I have to work on my consistency. Peace out.
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RE: Track virgin looking for best school? - 5/29/2008 12:28:26 PM
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^ I know!! You read about being smooth all the time, but it only makes sense once you realize how un-smooth you are.
Re: getting yelled at for going slow - I admit, I got frustrated with one rider who was slowing me up in the corners with STT, but i WAS that rider at one time. Reminding myself of that makes all the difference in the world.
and heck yeah the STT staff would be all over that. I'm surprised they didn't ask the guy to leave right there.
People who are slow and know they're slow are almost never a problem. It's the people who are slow, but think they're fast that cause all the commotion.
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RE: Track virgin looking for best school? - 5/30/2008 9:02:35 AM
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Take it as an opportunity to learn to pass.
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RE: Track virgin looking for best school? - 6/3/2008 7:37:51 AM
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I have heard a lot of good things about TPM - I just haven't done any of their events yet.
passing in the N and B groups is an exercise in patience.
the way I see it, STT allows people to avoid frustration (and learning) by letting them sign up for I too quickly.
NESBA forces you to learn more by planning and setting up your passes. Trust me - on the 500, I am not out-powering anyone on the straights. And it's no different for a 600 when there's a liter bike slowing you down in the turns.
So you're forced to PLAN your passes a lot more. I haven't mastered it and do not claim to be great at this, but the trick is to hang back on the straight far enough that you can catch up to someone just as they EXIT their slow turn. Now you've caught them at a time when they're going slow, but you were hanging back far enough to still be going fast. Even with their power advantage, you should be able to get by with both bikes straight up and down.
depending on the track, this likely means planning 3 or more turns in advance. It really becomes a chess game, but it's so rewarding to pass a bigger bike...
I passed a grand total of 2 people on my last NESBA td, but i earned those passes for sure.
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RE: Track virgin looking for best school? - 6/3/2008 11:29:43 AM
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I usually catch my passes on the outside or going deeper to brake.
It's extremely humbling to see someone pass you in a chicane riding 2-up.
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RE: Track virgin looking for best school? - 6/3/2008 1:29:02 PM
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I love passing the liter bikes on the outside, always gives me a little grin.
being passed 2 up is a little humbling, but no more so than when your giving it hell, leaned all the way over in a corner, or atleast it feels like it and a control rider goes zipping past you and turns around to watch you come through the corner(while he's still in the corner)
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RE: Track virgin looking for best school? - 6/3/2008 2:22:39 PM
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Although the F4i has some balls, it's nice to get in the tight technical stuff. Then it's rider v rider. Most guys get into the corner and "park". You can do with them as you please. I need to start looking for my next trackday. My brain yesterday caught up with my bikes cornerspeed. It's time to ratchet it up a few notches.
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