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RE: "pit manuever" a bike?! - 5/8/2008 7:29:19 PM   
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If it is Calvert county I'm not surprised, the cops down there love to practice on people and they LOVE giving speeding tickets, especially the State cops down off route 4 between Solomons and the nuclear power plant.  I got one back in 1992 when I used to work at the plant. 

You should contact the AMA about this policy, it has to be illegal.  You guys that care really should join the AMA, we can only fight these nazi power freaks by the strength of NUMBERS.  (membership is only $39 per year and you get the monthly magazine, which is pretty good, similar to Cycle World, but covering all kinds of riding, motocross also)

Remember what Jim Morrison said...(Five to One) ...... "They got the guns but...... we got the numbers....... gonna win... yeah we're... TAKIN' OVER !!! COME ON !!!!!!!!!!!!"

Ideas can change the world.  If we get our AMA membership numbers up we can actually get Congress to listen.  It looks like everyone is out to screw motorcyclists these days.  Offroad riding areas are being shut down at a rate of about 50 million acres a year, and it's only going to get worse if we don't do anything.  I just got my 3rd year membership, and I'm still pissed at myself that I didn't join 15 years ago.

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RE: "pit manuever" a bike?! - 5/8/2008 7:53:59 PM   
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Ironically, when we stopped at a gas station, a guy from the ABATE of MD gave us flyers and stuff about things they've been working on getting passed and all of that.

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RE: "pit manuever" a bike?! - 5/8/2008 8:09:41 PM   
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They cannot shoot a fleeing suspect if said suspect is fleeing without a weapon and/or do not pose a serious threat to the public. THEREFORE, to me, you CANNOT use a PIT manuever on a fleeing rider UNLESS that person is weilding a gun or weapon or somehow poses a serious threat to public saftey.  The bike fleeing alone does pose a threat large enough to justify killing the rider and or passenger as well as the risk to the public when the police vehicle itself is in a high speed pursuit....if the bike hits another car, that car's occupants will be just fine, HOWEVER, if the police vehicle giving chase slams into another car....that could cause problems.....






So while your running from the cops at 150mph and slam into the side of my wife's Prius, you can guarantee me she will walk away just fine. No bumps, no bruises, no mental issues from seeing your body parts fly thru her car. Sorry i disagree with you completely, as far as i am concerned you running is a threat to public safety, and that big ass police cruiser wouldnt be chasing you either if you just pulled over and took it like a man.

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RE: "pit manuever" a bike?! - 5/8/2008 8:36:52 PM   
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They cannot shoot a fleeing suspect if said suspect is fleeing without a weapon and/or do not pose a serious threat to the public. THEREFORE, to me, you CANNOT use a PIT manuever on a fleeing rider UNLESS that person is weilding a gun or weapon or somehow poses a serious threat to public saftey.  The bike fleeing alone does pose a threat large enough to justify killing the rider and or passenger as well as the risk to the public when the police vehicle itself is in a high speed pursuit....if the bike hits another car, that car's occupants will be just fine, HOWEVER, if the police vehicle giving chase slams into another car....that could cause problems.....






So while your running from the cops at 150mph and slam into the side of my wife's Prius, you can guarantee me she will walk away just fine. No bumps, no bruises, no mental issues from seeing your body parts fly thru her car. Sorry i disagree with you completely, as far as i am concerned you running is a threat to public safety, and that big ass police cruiser wouldnt be chasing you either if you just pulled over and took it like a man.

Ok granted a rider isn't the only one at risk while running...but seriously think about it....no man down here on Gods green earth should be able to make a decision to take another mans life when he/she hasn't done a single thing to kill another person...someone will argue "well they are putting people at risk and can POSSIBLY kill someone by running" Possibly?! They HAVEN'T and some stupid cop cannot see the future and make that choice of taking a rider down, 600 pounds vs 2 tons(average police SUV)...W...T....F?! Cops are getting out of control with these power missions and living behind the badge...i hope any cop that does this to a rider(and kills them) who hasn't done anything but speed flips their SUV over right after and kills themself

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RE: "pit manuever" a bike?! - 5/8/2008 9:18:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TK954RR

So while your running from the cops at 150mph and slam into the side of my wife's Prius, you can guarantee me she will walk away just fine. No bumps, no bruises, no mental issues from seeing your body parts fly thru her car. Sorry i disagree with you completely, as far as i am concerned you running is a threat to public safety, and that big ass police cruiser wouldnt be chasing you either if you just pulled over and took it like a man.



VERY well put! +1 trillion.

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RE: "pit manuever" a bike?! - 5/9/2008 1:44:25 AM   
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wasnt trying to spark a cop hating thread. just thought i'd share what cops in my county have begun doing. for the record i wouldnt run. either i'll get put in cuffs when caught....or put in the hospital (then cuffs, lol). just not worth it i.m.o.

and yes, it IS calvert county. rt4 is like the gauntlet, lol.

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RE: "pit manuever" a bike?! - 5/9/2008 2:37:01 AM   
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Lonewolf  A speeding motorcycle is a weapon.  Its the "stupid cops" responsibility to protect the public.

"no man down here on Gods green earth should be able to make a decision to take another mans life when he/she hasn't done a single thing to kill another person...someone will argue "well they are putting people at risk and can POSSIBLY kill someone by running" Possibly?! They HAVEN'T and some stupid cop cannot see the future and make that choice of taking a rider down"

Your right no one can see into the future.  I would rather pit a motorcycle at 30 mph then to allow him to reach triple digits again.  the question is which is the worst of the two evils.



edited after carefull review because did not remaim on topic or make much sense either  lol
Mike  you are right I'll try to come up with a better comparision.  lol


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RE: "pit manuever" a bike?! - 5/9/2008 5:06:19 AM   
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RTB... You need to compare apples to apples here. A gun is a deadly weapon in every sense of the law. Can a motorcycle kill someone? Of course it can. A skateboard can kill someone if the circumstances are just right. However, an SUV or even a car against a motorcycle will pretty much ALWAYS end up in some sort of injury or death. One cannot say that when the fleeing vehicle is a car and the police need to use force according to the circumstances. (is speeding worthy of a cop being the judge and jury and handing out the death penalty?)

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RE: "pit manuever" a bike?! - 5/10/2008 12:05:24 AM   
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I would hope that the pit maneuver would be the absolute last option in a high speed chase.  I would hope it would be used on a motorcycle rider the same way a LEO would fire his weapon...LAST RESORT!  Just because they have the option does not mean that it would be used.  I agree the outcome would very likely be deadly, especially with as many poeple who chose to ride without the proper gear.  MD riders, just ride like you are supposed to, and you will not have to experience such extreme force.  Jay's situation was a perfect example of doing the right thing.

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RE: "pit manuever" a bike?! - 5/10/2008 2:32:57 AM   
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voodoo   I probably should have stated this earlier.  I don't think bikes should ever be pited for traffic reasons, felonies only.  The only traffic reasons may be if the motorcycle caused several accidents while running.
There will never be a perfect solution to this problem.  Running is why I've heard of some areas have  looked into baning sport bikes, and I'm pretty sure some posts in here have covered the same topic.  We are our own worst emenies  lol.  To me its not just sport bike either.  The new Harleys we got have 103 cubic inch engines and get to triple digits in a hurry.  Harley even has a 110 cubic inch Screaming Eagle package.  Both are a lot of power and speed.  To ban one you would have to ban both in my oponion.



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RE: "pit manuever" a bike?! - 5/10/2008 4:43:22 AM   
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wow..i cant believe thats legal ANYWHERE. Prettymuch if you do it they are dead or severely injured and probably run over by you...

Just wow

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RE: "pit manuever" a bike?! - 5/12/2008 1:26:54 AM   
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Hey Jaynd and slip, if you ever ride up near howard and anne arudel county let me know. You seem like sensible riders :) I don't like riding with terrors. And honestly, I've not heard about that law, and I should have heard something. Ride safe

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