RE: My first bike ever... any tips?
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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 2/11/2006 7:59:03 PM
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mjflagg
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I hit the brake one time, and I could feel the rear wheel sliding on the road winding left to right, only hoping I will stop before I hit front, I stopped, pretty close).
From what I've read, if you let the rear brake out in a rear tire skid and the wheels are not aligned you will High Side! It's better to skid to a stop, but it's even better never to skid the rear tire.
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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 2/12/2006 1:48:09 PM
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ashsammy
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However, I think when applying both brakes, you should always stress harder on the rear than you are stressing on the front wheel, because if the front wheel skids, then there's a big chance you're gonna fall off, because it doesn't skid in a straight line as like the rear wheel, which would rather slide on the road. But because the car is heavier, it has less chance of skidding, so obviously it would stop faster than a motorcycle, and not because the bike is lighter it would stop faster, but would skid easier. And I think its better to observe the car infront the car infront of you than the car infront of you, because the last has no good reason to hit the brakes before the first does.
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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 2/12/2006 4:17:12 PM
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kiggy74
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Dude, your gonna kill yourself.
Be careful, take the riding class, and most importantly have respect for the fact that you know nothing about how to ride the bike.... YET! Take your time and live to ride another day.
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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 2/12/2006 5:02:37 PM
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msf course, gear, and lots of parking lot time. Pretty much every time you head to ride just stop by some empty parking lot or somethen and practice some stuff... helps you get used to the bike and kind of warms you up. Just a thought, after you get used to the bike you can stop doing the parking lot stuff but it never hurts.
don't do that stupid F*ing mototune hard break in, you don't have the time, or the facilities... you'd need a week or so on a dyno to get all the pulls in that he suggests, or some hard core track access... it's not worth it... just take it easy for the first 600 miles... hell, if you have enough free time you could do that in like a week.
just learn the bike, try to break hard without locking up ANY of the wheels... i still haven't pushed my front to the limit. You should never try to lock up any of the tires... a front skid results in the bike low siding, and a rear skid usually results in a high side at speed. either way it's bad.
don't become a statistic.
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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 2/12/2006 7:52:10 PM
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mjflagg
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However, I think when applying both brakes, you should always stress harder on the rear than you are stressing on the front wheel, because if the front wheel skids, then there's a big chance you're gonna fall off, because it doesn't skid in a straight line as like the rear wheel, which would rather slide on the road. But because the car is heavier, it has less chance of skidding, so obviously it would stop faster than a motorcycle, and not because the bike is lighter it would stop faster, but would skid easier. And I think its better to observe the car infront the car infront of you than the car infront of you, because the last has no good reason to hit the brakes before the first does.
Dude, you seriously need to take a MSF course. If you don't please goto the book store and read "Proficient Motorcycling: The Ultimate Guide to Riding Well" by David L. Hough OR "Total Control: High-Performance Street Riding Techniques" by Lee Parks on the subject.
Applying brakes like you're describing, it's no wonder why you think a bike has a longer stopping distance. You are not applying the brakes correctly; ask anybody here with experience. Especially the MSF instructors that are floating around here on this board.
We would hate to read about how you wrecked your bike!
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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 2/12/2006 8:22:55 PM
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call me noob but I went 135kmph and it has sent me chills... That is FAST.. and now I know why I have to lay my chest on the tank!
Whats the maximum speed for the 600rr? It just seems to have so much more left in the throttle when at 135, and there's plenty more petrol it can still take in.
4. LOOK OUT from women driving cars, particularly WOMEN. They don't know whats good for them. They want men to please them. They are selfish, so if you ask them for way, do not procceed expecting that you're going to get it (persistent honking don't work, I tried). Their immediate apprehension on road attendance is just unreliable.
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However, I think when applying both brakes, you should always stress harder on the rear than you are stressing on the front wheel, because if the front wheel skids, then there's a big chance you're gonna fall off, because it doesn't skid in a straight line as like the rear wheel, which would rather slide on the road.
I think this is single handedly the worst sport bike riding advice ever given out! Trust me, I'm an advocate of using the rear brake, but that makes no sense and is simply dangerous advice!
For street normal riding (if you use the rear brake at all), the braking ratio is around 70/30 (front/rear) and track you would be around 90% front and 10% rear...
Not to mention if you start off riding the speeds you're going with the things your saying about braking, you're on a terrible course to a mangled destruction! Plain and simple A NEW RIDER SHOULD NOT BE RIDING THE SPEEDS YOU STATED!!! Is that clear? As stated by Keith Code “if you’re going to ride 150, you better know how to brake at 150…”
Call you a noob...you are a noob and a dangerous noob that's going to hurt yourself or someone else, so slow down dude...take a minute to learn this beast and enjoy it!
By the way, advice #4 is ridiculous and you should feel that way about ALL cages on the road, not just women...you got a lot to learn buddy, I'll pray for ya!
< Message edited by Fretless33 -- 2/12/2006 8:24:42 PM >
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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 2/13/2006 5:55:26 AM
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ashsammy
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Nice articles MJ. That is indeed sound advice of using both brakes, and I am sure my opinions will change with experience. I hope to not have given the impression of being reckless, young and crazy at the wrong bike in the wrong time. I have never ever caused any car accident so I am confident of being a careful person, in spite of the fact that I rather wary of the recklessness or carelessness of other motorists on the road. I seriously plan to never think about doing a wheelie or any tricks, I simply have more to bargain with. My sole purpose for buying a bike is to get me through the traffic twice daily, to save petrol money, and free my self from parking spaces. For sure I am a newbie, and all what seems like advice is simply what I learned so far from what I observed, but I am learning important things by coming around here. I will stay posted, this is a good place to start. Thanks all 
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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 2/13/2006 10:37:32 AM
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Fretless33
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I hope to not have given the impression of being reckless, young and crazy at the wrong bike in the wrong time. I have never ever caused any car accident so I am confident of being a careful person
I'll apologize for being so harsh towards you, but you did give the impression of being reckless and someone riding the speed you admitted to with the knowledge base you have is extremely reckless...in fact, on public roads it's dangerous and reckless for any rider, new or seasoned.
If you went that speed just to feel what it's like then so be it, but if you crank the throttle every time you're on the bike because you feel like a MotoGP star, you're going to get hurt (or worse) because when something goes wrong, you'll have no experience to fall back on and you'll rely on survival reactions that WILL make you crash! This is a very fun but deadly serious sport, so you need to enjoy your bike, but also acknowledge the dangers and risks involved if something goes wrong.
All I'm saying is to slow down and give yourself time to learn this bike, you already purchased a terrible starter bike, so take it easy...I'm serious...if you give this bike the wrong input (like a newbie will), it will turn on you like a rabid dog!
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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 2/13/2006 4:34:40 PM
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LOOK OUT from women driving cars, particularly WOMEN. They don't know whats good for them. They want men to please them. They are selfish, so if you ask them for way, do not procceed expecting that you're going to get it (persistent honking don't work, I tried). Their immediate apprehension on road attendance is just unreliable.
Dr Phil should get you to write for his show. You insight of the female portion of the human experience is awesome. Strangly enough I agree with every f***ing word.
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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 2/14/2006 11:05:00 PM
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hyceman
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hey, my first post. i have 1400 something miles on the only bike ive ever ridden. just want to say im addicted, and am amazed how much more comfortable and confident i get every day i ride. congrats on the bike. it will be the best money you've ever spent
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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 2/21/2006 10:34:14 AM
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str8600rr
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However, I think when applying both brakes, you should always stress harder on the rear than you are stressing on the front wheel, because if the front wheel skids, then there's a big chance you're gonna fall off, because it doesn't skid in a straight line as like the rear wheel, which would rather slide on the road. But because the car is heavier, it has less chance of skidding, so obviously it would stop faster than a motorcycle, and not because the bike is lighter it would stop faster, but would skid easier. And I think its better to observe the car infront the car infront of you than the car infront of you, because the last has no good reason to hit the brakes before the first does.
Hey Everyone! I am on this forum daily but never really post....however this topic is something that I can relate to since I have an 04 600RR and it was in fact my first street bike. I rode it for about 2 weeks with no permit. I had my temp permit for a year and just took it one day at a time and did not let any of my Rossi wanna be buddies talk me into pushing the limits of my newly developing skills.
During my learning phase I had a lady in a mini van just about take my life. What happened is as follows: We were traveling side by side with me right at her driverside window. She was busy driving and talking with her daughter who was in the passenger seat. We rode side by side for a couple of miles then all of a sudden she decides to change into my lane while I was still there right beside her.
I instinctivly swerved but could only swerve so far do to a median that was in the center of the road. She never stopped coming over on me so as soon as I had the bike in a straight line, I locked up both the front and rear brakes. My bike handled beatifully the front tire was skipping since it was locked up and my back tire was sliding , but the bike stayed straight up and in stayed in a straight line.
I was pissed to say the least so I shot around to the other side where her daughter was at and gave her the international greeting(the bird) and then got ack behind her but stayed 2 lanes away. Well about 2 lights late, she got what was coming to her...she was driving along and chatting with her kid not paying attention when an Excursion did the same thing to her that she did to me which was change lanes quickly only she was behind the Excursion. Well low and behold she was not watcing the road and plowed right into the Ass end of the SUV. I went by doing the Arsenio Hall chant(yes I am old school), she glanced over and was pissed that I was reveling in her stupidity.
Anyways the point to my whole story is that the 600RR is an excellent first bike to have and I say by the best you can afford because to me the better the machine, the better it is going to assist a new rider in getting out of a bad situation so long as the rider uses common sense along with restraint to ensure that they do not purposely try to ride above their level of experience.
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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 2/21/2006 11:57:22 AM
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ashsammy
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It beautiful how nature just punishes for irresponsibility. Good to hear you reacted quickly and carefully enough to avoid any trouble. This is exactly what I mean by women driving cars, if you honk, or scream, they just pay no attention whatsoever, and continue turning towards you, and not only that, in some instances they look at you and also continue turning hoping you're going to avoid them, this particularly pisses me off, but in the end I just gotta have some patience.
I have just done 1000km, so I will be going for the dealer check soon.
I was thinking of putting on frame sliders, but then I heard that I will have to drill into the body and make a hole in it, so I thought isn't it better to risk scratching it than making a hole in the body? Any opinions on that one? Its confusing...
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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 2/21/2006 1:42:49 PM
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str8600rr
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Well it all depends on what you want. The Frame sliders I believe really were not intended to save the plastics but more so the actual frame its self. I guess it kinda soaks up some of the impact from a lowside crash. so if protecting the frame is important to you then I would say get the frame sliders. I am not that aggressive of a rider so I depend more on just not going down, but if I do the frame sliders won't do anything for the bike if its a highside crash and in a lowside crash they help out a little so to me it was not worth the money to buy them and pay to have them put on by the dealer(cutting the wholes in the fairings)
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