RE: My first bike ever... any tips?
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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 2/21/2006 2:13:48 PM
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Fretless33
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We were traveling side by side with me right at her driverside window. She was busy driving and talking with her daughter who was in the passenger seat. We rode side by side for a couple of miles then all of a sudden she decides to change into my lane while I was still there right beside her.
Your first newbie error was allowing yourself to be in a cages blind spot for so long...never...absolutely NEVER let yourself be in this death zone! Speed up, slow down...do what you have to do, but never stay side by side with a cage! Is that clear?
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Anyways the point to my whole story is that the 600RR is an excellent first bike to have and I say by the best you can afford because to me the better the machine, the better it is going to assist a new rider in getting out of a bad situation
I think dumb luck pulled you through this one, not the capabilities of this machine...you did many wrong things in that situation, Keith Code calls them "survival reactions," which are reactions that feel right or come naturally, but on a sport bike are dangerous and greatly upset the bike...
So if you have any valid points on how an "R" bike makes an excellent first bike, feel free to share, but I still strongly believe a beginner will have no benefits with owning an advanced rider's machine as their first bike...
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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 2/21/2006 2:36:52 PM
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str8600rr
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ORIGINAL: str8600rr
We were traveling side by side with me right at her driverside window. She was busy driving and talking with her daughter who was in the passenger seat. We rode side by side for a couple of miles then all of a sudden she decides to change into my lane while I was still there right beside her.
Your first newbie error was allowing yourself to be in a cages blind spot for so long...never...absolutely NEVER let yourself be in this death zone! Speed up, slow down...do what you have to do, but never stay side by side with a cage! Is that clear?
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ORIGINAL: str8600rr
Anyways the point to my whole story is that the 600RR is an excellent first bike to have and I say by the best you can afford because to me the better the machine, the better it is going to assist a new rider in getting out of a bad situation
I think dumb luck pulled you through this one, not the capabilities of this machine...you did many wrong things in that situation, Keith Code calls them "survival reactions," which are reactions that feel right or come naturally, but on a sport bike are dangerous and greatly upset the bike...
So if you have any valid points on how an "R" bike makes an excellent first bike, feel free to share, but I still strongly believe a beginner will have no benefits with owning an advanced rider's machine as their first bike...
Perhaps you misread my post...I was not in a blind spot at all I could have shook her hand if her window was down as I was right there...and when you are in City traffic you are always side by side with "A Cage" on one side or the other and sometimes on both sides at the same time...so enough with the newby error crap...
As far as your dumb luck crack is concerned...take it how you want I could really care less. IMO whether your an experienced rider(5+ years), or a newby ...you still react the best that you can when a situation like what I experienced arises. The fact is that I had to move over and stop the bike as quickly as possible without going down in my circumstances was a pretty big feat and I accomplished both so that says something for me and it says something for the bike.
Now let me educate you on what the points are that make an "R" a great beginner bike:
1) Great Handling
2) moderate low end (power does not really come on until higher RPM's) This lets a beginner learn to ride in stages and as they get more experienced they can go deeper in the throttle and go higher rpm's and learn to use the power at their own pace.
3) Excellent seating postion(IMO), the seating is more aggressive and this makes the rider stay more alert and in tune with what is going on with the bike and the surrounding.
4) excellent brakes, Brakes on an "R" are amazing and are very in tune with the bike which kinda goes along with the handling category. this helps a new rider keep from going down since everything works so well together.
Ok now that you have been educated...going forward if you want to add your 2 cents then please do but leave the insults and the higher then thou attitude out of your posts....because until you are racing side by side with Mr. Rossi, you have no right or room to come on any forum and act like you are "The Man" and even then I would like to think that you would show some respect for your fellow forum members.
you have reminded me why I hardly ever post on forums...thanks Mr. know it all 
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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 2/21/2006 10:39:32 PM
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str8600rr
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I am not sure how it stayed up or why I didn't go over the bars either...but as god as my witness what I described is what happened and I attributed my coming out of it successfully to how well the RR was built...
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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 2/22/2006 1:25:29 AM
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Fretless33
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1) Great Handling
Too good of a handling bike...its rake and trail make it sharply (or overly in the hands of a newb) responsive which most newbies don't know what to do with and they'll be relying mostly on survival reactions...this has no benefit
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2) moderate low end (power does not really come on until higher RPM's) This lets a beginner learn to ride in stages and as they get more experienced they can go deeper in the throttle and go higher rpm's and learn to use the power at their own pace.
With this bike maybe, but I'm talking ALL "R" bikes...if you think most newbs have that sort of self control, you're fooling yourself...conversely, give the throttle too much input and you'll be looking at the rear end of the bike sliding away.
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3) Excellent seating postion(IMO), the seating is more aggressive and this makes the rider stay more alert and in tune with what is going on with the bike and the surrounding.
One of the most common complaints of most new RR owners is the stiff wrists they get, and I don't quite get the "aggressive seat position means you'll be more alert" concept you're selling. Stiff wrists mean a newb is too stiff on the bars and stiff arms give bad input into the steering...a better (more comfortable) seat position allows a new rider to be more relaxed.
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4) excellent brakes, Brakes on an "R" are amazing and are very in tune with the bike which kinda goes along with the handling category. this helps a new rider keep from going down since everything works so well together.
I agree, the brakes are nice, but grab a handful of any motorcycle's brake and you'll be on your butt (unless dumb luck pulls you through), better brakes increase the chances of a newb locking them up (see your above post) which goes along with all the advanced features of "R" bikes being less forgiving, so give these beasts the wrong input and they'll turn on you like a rabid dog
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but leave the insults and the higher then thou attitude out of your posts....because until you are racing side by side with Mr. Rossi, you have no right or room to come on any forum and act like you are "The Man" and even then I would like to think that you would show some respect for your fellow forum members.
you have reminded me why I hardly ever post on forums...thanks Mr. know it all
I may have hurt your ego, but I don't recall insulting you once (or calling you names like "Mr. know it all"), you made some newbie mistakes, I called you on them and you got insulted...oh well...you gave a strong opinion that an RR is an "excellent first bike" and I disagree...oh well...I think being a novice on an advanced bike isn't going to make you a better rider and you do...oh well...I can live with that...but to write that I can't have an opinion because I don't "race side by side with Rossi" is just plain ignorant and I hope you don't hold that advice requirement for all sport bike riders because there's a lot of smart people out there (but I guess I'm just not one of them for you).
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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 2/22/2006 1:32:01 AM
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Be careful!!
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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 2/22/2006 8:49:56 AM
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no1biscuit
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My first bike was 05 600rr. Here is my tips (may only work for me)
1. Practice at night in a parking lot (don't look stupid and no traffic to the parking lot)
2. Ride with someone if you can (if you go down there is someone there to help and/or laugh at you)
3. Get frame sliders
4. Try to get used to the mirrors, arm lift technique works for me, plus speed changes to see beside me
5. Take it slow and don't get frustrated on take offs (had a few dozen kills to start off with)
6. Visit this site about 50 times a day like an addict. (3rd or 4th time for me today and it is 7:50am)
7. Don't push it too hard, too fast.
My 2cents. Maybe worth $.000000000165
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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 2/22/2006 9:09:00 AM
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str8600rr
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Can you ever have to good of Handling on a bike? Your comment just seems ignorant to me...no disrespect intended just statng MY OPINION.
As far as your comment about ALL R bikes...well we are not talking about all R bikes just the Honda...so not sure why you went there??
About the Stiff Wrists comment...I am not selling anything...again just giving MY OPINION....I personally feel more alert and in tune with the bike with the aggressive riding position. Everyone is different so perhaps YOUR opinion is just as valid as mine.
Regarding the Brakes...yes they may be less forgiving but when locked up the brakes on the RR work well with the bike and in my situation that I posted I firmly believe that the total R package assisted me in not going down. Again MY OPINION!
You didn't hurt my ego and I am fine with contructive criticism when I ask for it ...All I was doing was giving my opinion based off a personal experience and my own opinion on the RR for the year and 2 months that I have owned it. I gave my points on why I feel that the RR is an excellent bike to learn on...I am fine if you do not agree with me. But I felt as though you came on here all high and mighty and I hate when people do that. I am sure you have alot of knowledge and experience that I could def learn from being a newer rider and all but I am entitled to my opinion just as you are. Your feedback that you gave regarding my points may be right. Perhaps I was just the right type of Newb that the RR worked well for. Thank God for that since if it wasn't such a good bike and fit for me , I may have gotten hurt or something.
Don't bother responding back as I prefer to be done with our little tennis match...I am going to go back to just reading the posts rather then posting as our little Special Olympics session is pointless and retarded.
For sake of argument...I will say you are always 100% right and are all knowing so everyone should just listen to you. (There you won, have a nice life)
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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 2/22/2006 10:05:38 AM
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Fretless33
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Can you ever have to good of Handling on a bike? Your comment just seems ignorant to me...no disrespect intended just statng MY OPINION.
You might have misunderstood what I meant, I tried to make it clear that "R" bikes are pretty much track ready bikes and have handling characteristics and geometry that make them less prone to forgive newbie mistakes...that's what I meant by handling too good...out of the capabilities of a new rider...
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As far as your comment about ALL R bikes...well we are not talking about all R bikes just the Honda...so not sure why you went there??
I mention all "R" bikes, because I don't like to narrow it down to just the RR...any "R" bike is track ready and meant for more advanced riders...although the RR is the nicest!
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Regarding the Brakes...yes they may be less forgiving but when locked up the brakes on the RR work well with the bike and in my situation that I posted I firmly believe that the total R package assisted me in not going down. Again MY OPINION!
Locking up the brakes might be a panic thing to do (survival reactions), but it isn't good technique...locking up and skidding is not a sign that the brakes are working well.
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Thank God for that since if it wasn't such a good bike and fit for me , I may have gotten hurt or something.
Amen!
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Don't bother responding back as I prefer to be done with our little tennis match...I am going to go back to just reading the posts rather then posting as our little Special Olympics session is pointless and retarded.
Don't take it so personally Dude! It's a message board and is about expressing opinions, sharing knowledge and having a little fun..this just happens to be a subject that I have a pretty strong opinion on, it's not directed entirely at you, so don't leave on my behalf...
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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 2/22/2006 3:36:25 PM
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Oh c'mon guys, whats all the hard feelings for? All I can say is that I AGREE that the 600RR is an excellent bike to start with, as well as it being an advanced level bike, but that comes with the skills and style of riding, rather than how much you like to get from it, which is a variable. Unless you haven't had 2-wheel experience as a kid, and do not have preliminary skills such as balance and turning, and only then, the R may seem advanced to start with.
I can honestly say that I am very happy with my 600RR so far, and think it was better than getting the 1000RR which was what I had in mind first. I knew there will be some difference in riding an RR than other types, but I was sure it was something I am gonna get used to fast, and it only needs some practice. I am a newbie, and if I had to choose again, I would buy the same bike. The only thing I think matters for newbs is age, definitely not a bike for a newb below 21.
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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 2/22/2006 10:15:54 PM
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Fretless33
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I'll just bite my tongue ashammy...I don't want to wear out my welcome here!
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