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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 2/23/2006 1:12:22 PM   
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I considered that, but being that there's no such thing as kmph

... lol

This is becoming too rational a topic. Ok I said 65mph in reference to what I read on breaking in over here http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm, so I didn't do a conversion in case someone wanted to comment on the same article, just so that we be consistant. However, I am used to kmph, and on my led it displays kmph, I was aware that most of the people here prefer mph, and so I did put in the kmph, but that went unnoticed. Again... kmph

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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 2/24/2006 2:03:32 PM   
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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 2/24/2006 2:06:51 PM   
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congrats on the bike...and you are talking about 135 kilo

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ITS HERE
UNbelievable... ok call me noob but I went 135kmph and it has sent me chills... That is FAST.. and now I know why I have to lay my chest on the tank!

Whats the maximum speed for the 600rr? It just seems to have so much more left in the throttle when at 135, and there's plenty more petrol it can still take in.

My report is: If you have had an impression on a sportbike, such as the 600rr, then it's completely false, and all what you recieved by your senses is not real. Ride it like you would ride the training class motorcycle. The only thing is that it weights more, so you need to concern your self with balance all the time, until you're used to it. Don't assume the throttle is so touchy that it would throw you off the bike if you're a newbie, you only have to get the feel of it. Let it go on the first gear if you wary, and see how it comes. And YES, read the Owners Manual before you ride. I did that and I am glad I did. Learned few lessons, rather than by all good advice you can find here, but by empirical evidence: 1. never shift gears on a turn (I noticed my rear wheel skid a little) so could be dangerous. 2. Cars infront of you are able to stop faster than you are, so maximize distance (don't be a bummer to the cars behind you, but keep an eye on the cars infront of you. I hit the brake one time, and I could feel the rear wheel sliding on the road winding left to right, only hoping I will stop before I hit front, I stopped, pretty close). 3. Never drive on the hard shoulder of cars, either behind them, or over-take as soon you have a chance. 4. LOOK OUT from women driving cars, particularly WOMEN. They don't know whats good for them. They want men to please them. They are selfish, so if you ask them for way, do not procceed expecting that you're going to get it (persistent honking don't work, I tried). Their immediate apprehension on road attendance is just unreliable.

I indeed have much more to say about the experience, but something's gotta pull it all out, that would be some long sleep over the weekend : ) ... night.




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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 2/28/2006 6:09:42 PM   
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I'm with you Fretless ANY sport bike is NOT a good choice for a FIRST bike. First off they are expensive to purchase and insure... wonder why?
Rake and trail make them very manuverable, but very sensitive to rider inputs...........not good for first bike
Brakes are fantastic but, in the wrong hands dangerous.......
Plastic farings are expensive to replace........ you will drop the bike, even a tip over will cost you.
Aggresive riding position great for race track.............sucks on the street. Akward to manuver in parking lots and low speeds. Mirrors are almost worthless. Very important when sitting at red light and you don't see that yugo approaching at 60 on your six. More difficult to see farther down the road in traffic compared with a standard motorcycle.
Riding possition tires the rider sooner, which = less concentration on the important things. The stuff that is going on around you and your imputs.
It's a race bike, no fun to ride around on slow, gets boring and uncomfortable real quick.

Did you learn how to drive in an F1 car?
Do Navy pilots learn basic flight in a F-18?

That said it is not imposible to learn on, but in my opinion not the best choice.
It is a myth that you need to buy the biggest baddest bike you can afford.
Even if you get tired of riding a smaller standard after a year you can sell it and upgrade to something nicer.Plus saves alot on inssurance the first 2 yrs are most expensive.
Dealer sh*ts want to sell bikes and most don't care about your safety. They want the quick sell instant gradification.
Even if it meens you won't be back for a new bike because you scared the crap out of yourself or worse.

Take this with a grain of salt.
Opinions are like as*holes; everyone has one.
That was mine.

Nice bike, get the MSF course under your belt and practice what you learn.
Read some books on the subject and learn from all the small mistakes.
Good luck!

Fretless, do you play bass guitar?

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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 2/28/2006 11:14:25 PM   
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Fretless, do you play bass guitar?


Yes indeedy doo! Fretless bass to be exact...you're one of the elite few that has figured this out and 33 is the scale length of my bass's neck?

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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 3/1/2006 1:18:57 AM   
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Holy poop! No wonder insurance keeps going up! Slow that thing down and don't do any of that crazy crap until you get a feel for it. You don't just have to watch out for other cars, but animals running in front of you, crap in the road, and road signs or mail boxes that you might wipe out on when you're turning to fast before you're ready. I'm a new rider and for the first week I just rode it around the neighborhood - I didn't launch it to see what it can do.
Also, don't do that running it hard bull either. Doing that before everything has time to seat properly will hose everything up in the long run. Don't even take it past 5K until you get at least 200 or 300 miles on it, but I imagine you already did when you hit 135. Go easy on that thing for a while.

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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 3/1/2006 7:45:12 AM   
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Slowpoke_dave nailed it. Very Nice +1 for you. You hear applaud as everyon stands.

On a side note I am currently learning on an 05 RR and It is all true to me. I know there is at least one that will disagree.

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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 3/1/2006 8:50:05 AM   
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Slowpoke_dave nailed it. Very Nice +1 for you. You hear applaud as everyon stands.

On a side note I am currently learning on an 05 RR and It is all true to me. I know there is at least one that will disagree.


I don't get this reply...are you trying to be sarcastic?

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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 3/1/2006 8:55:35 AM   
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Actually I was serious. He explained the whole scope of these bikes. The second part of my reply is that usually when someone states as much as slowpoke did someone will pick it apart. Sorry for the confusion...

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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 3/1/2006 10:45:59 AM   
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First off they are expensive to purchase and insure...

What are you saying? I mean 3rd party costs 140$, full insurance costs 250$ in Dubai. I hope someone did find that out from my profile.
In Dubai we don't have animals in the streets for anyone to be wary of! Apart from cats of course, but they're already ran over so who cares!

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It's a race bike, no fun to ride around on slow

Excuse me? Who's riding around on slow? I am doing 140kmph every day 3 times, one on the way to work, one on lunch break, and another coming back

Seriously, riding it is not any special from any other bike, which I only realized after I tried. But again I would say it needs someone with a built to handle it. Working out could sort you out. It heavier, more powerful, FASTER, FASTER, FASTER... : D
Take it easy, I am 22, if I can do it then anyone can!

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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 3/1/2006 12:35:50 PM   
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Seriously, riding it is not any special from any other bike, which I only realized after I tried. But again I would say it needs someone with a built to handle it. Working out could sort you out. It heavier, more powerful, FASTER, FASTER, FASTER... : D
Take it easy, I am 22, if I can do it then anyone can!


Does this sound like a recipe for disaster...

"not special from any other bike" Meaning you've ignored everything some of the more experienced riders have written about the bike.

"Needs someone with a build" Hinting that you think that muscling or a strong arm will make it do what you want? Lets try being smooth and relaxed, being tense and feeling you have to force the bike to do what you want are one of those "survival reactions" I'm referring to (from Keith Code's book Twist of the Wrist II), just like your view on breaking.

In reference to your "if I can do it anyone can..." you have not even begun to do anything and you come off as if you think have it down already...I pray the lessons you learn are not life threatening, because it's new riders like you that I worry about.

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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 3/1/2006 2:19:05 PM   
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If you think I am ever gonna think of doing a wheelie or some trick, then yes, I have not begun, and I will never, totally not what I have in mind.

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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 3/1/2006 6:49:45 PM   
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The kinds of animals I had in mind are cats, deer, dogs wanting a piece of you and anything else that might run out. I'm going to have to side with Fretless33 on this one. Go get and read any book by Keith Code...it's certainly worth reading and learning to control any survival reactions that will save your behind. I think you'll be ok on the RR, but go really easy on that. If you give too much coming out of a turn, you might break the rear wheel loose and be in a whole world of trouble until you become more familiar with it. I'm a very new rider, going on almost 2 months, but everytime I go out I become more familiar with my F4i. I have yet to go over 70 mph and I haven't even hit 9k in rpms yet, nor have I even gone wide open throttle simply because once past 7k it gets major power and it really accelerates hard and it becomes a little scary for me.

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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 3/1/2006 8:33:22 PM   
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this whole thread cracks me up. ya ya, Crackers, harr harr.

Anyway, the reason it cracks me up is the fact that some of the new riders here are even trying to argue with the people that appear to be experienced riders. I'll tell you right now, I just turned 20 years old and i'm just starting to ride. No I didn't choose a Hayabusa to start. Not a 900RR. Hell, not even a 600. I'm on a Ninja250. I'm going to learn the dynamics of riding, the threshold of grip, the lean characteristcs, etc... of a lighweight, low powered motorycle before I move on to real track machines. (I'm on CBR forums because i'm planning to get a CBR asap. I'm getting awfully sick of this whole Fast and Furious culture my peers are submersed in. It's arrogant, ignorant, and disrespectful to the sport, and it's why the older folk look down on us. I think just now it's starting to seep into the motorcycle world. I've been a car guy all my life and i'm starting to see the same crowd of people that buy a Mitsu Evo, and crash it in the first week because they think AWD means "more grip" move into the bike world. Never mind taking some time to learn the fundamentals (and particulars) of motor vehicle control. "I'm a coordinated person, I can handle it. So i'm going to start on the fastest best handling thing around." That kind of mentality sends cats straight to the ER. I'm not saying any particular person who has written a response is any of the three above adjectives, but I do see some diarrhea of the mouth and constipation of the brain if you catch my drift. Better brakes, handling, engine response, etc... does NOT make an easier bike to learn on. A McLaren F1 has all those things in spades, but should a 16 year old learn to drive on one? NO. There is an inverse relationship between vehicle performance, and operator skill level. The better the machine and the less skilled the operater, the more bones will be broken. Conversely, put Valentino Rossi on a "lowly" Ninja 250, and he'll have the bike learned in minutes. Learning on a superbike CAN be done, but then again I guess a blind man "could" climb Mount Everest. heh. Flame off.

Sorry, I got a little fired up there for a minute. If you want a Cliff Notes of the above, it's this. Guys n' Gals: New Riders: Listen to what some of these old dogs have to say. They've been around the block a few times. Stop thinking five minutes in front of your face and take the time to do it right. If you value the feel of smooth skin or the ability to tie your own shoes, slow it down learn on little bikes. And for the love of god, take a MSF course, basic and then advanced once you're ready.

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RE: My first bike ever... any tips? - 3/1/2006 11:41:16 PM   
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this whole thread cracks me up. ya ya, Crackers, harr harr.

Anyway, the reason it cracks me up is the fact that some of the new riders here are even trying to argue with the people that appear to be experienced riders. I'll tell you right now, I just turned 20 years old and i'm just starting to ride. No I didn't choose a Hayabusa to start. Not a 900RR. Hell, not even a 600. I'm on a Ninja250. I'm going to learn the dynamics of riding, the threshold of grip, the lean characteristcs, etc... of a lighweight, low powered motorycle before I move on to real track machines. (I'm on CBR forums because i'm planning to get a CBR asap. I'm getting awfully sick of this whole Fast and Furious culture my peers are submersed in. It's arrogant, ignorant, and disrespectful to the sport, and it's why the older folk look down on us. I think just now it's starting to seep into the motorcycle world. I've been a car guy all my life and i'm starting to see the same crowd of people that buy a Mitsu Evo, and crash it in the first week because they think AWD means "more grip" move into the bike world. Never mind taking some time to learn the fundamentals (and particulars) of motor vehicle control. "I'm a coordinated person, I can handle it. So i'm going to start on the fastest best handling thing around." That kind of mentality sends cats straight to the ER. I'm not saying any particular person who has written a response is any of the three above adjectives, but I do see some diarrhea of the mouth and constipation of the brain if you catch my drift. Better brakes, handling, engine response, etc... does NOT make an easier bike to learn on. A McLaren F1 has all those things in spades, but should a 16 year old learn to drive on one? NO. There is an inverse relationship between vehicle performance, and operator skill level. The better the machine and the less skilled the operater, the more bones will be broken. Conversely, put Valentino Rossi on a "lowly" Ninja 250, and he'll have the bike learned in minutes. Learning on a superbike CAN be done, but then again I guess a blind man "could" climb Mount Everest. heh. Flame off.

Sorry, I got a little fired up there for a minute. If you want a Cliff Notes of the above, it's this. Guys n' Gals: New Riders: Listen to what some of these old dogs have to say. They've been around the block a few times. Stop thinking five minutes in front of your face and take the time to do it right. If you value the feel of smooth skin or the ability to tie your own shoes, slow it down learn on little bikes. And for the love of god, take a MSF course, basic and then advanced once you're ready.


Oh my God!!! I'm going to blow this reply up to poster size and hang it on my living room wall!!! This has got to be the smartest, most level headed new rider I've ever read a post from! Do you know how rare it is to read something like this from a new rider on an RR message board!? It's almost unheard of...

And guess what...Crackers? You'll probably smoke about 50% of these newbies on their RR with your 250 within a year on the track and the rest when you get your RR!!!

If you don't mind, I'm probably going to use this reply on a few other message boards...you made me proud Crackers...you made me proud!

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