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can i use spray paint. - 2/7/2006 7:42:36 PM

infamous01

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wats up everyone? im getting a new rear fairing,im doing the tail swap on my 04, but the fairing is sivler. my bike is balck and yellow. i want the tail black,can i use spray paint from like an auto store? what do i have to do with the silver paint on the tail,sand it?? i've never painted any body work and have no idea how to go about doing it. im not looking for the best paint job. im not the kind of guy that has to have a spotless,absolutly clean bike. trying not to spend to much money either.

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RE: can i use spray paint. - 2/7/2006 8:27:09 PM

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Iam spray painting my plastics where I have done some epoxy repairs, from the last owner one of them laid it down and did a half ass repair job, Iam working claas poor so Iam doing all that I can do myself, [they do make rattle can paint for plastic,and you will want to get your self some sand paper, and go to town, Iam sure you'll want to rough it up w/ course like 100 grit then work up to some fine like1000 use some primer then paint it black]. again thats what Iam doing, or if you got the money you can have someone that knows what thier doing do it for you, i'll let you guys know how it all turns out when Iam done with my bargain paint and body

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RE: can i use spray paint. - 2/7/2006 8:27:14 PM

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usually painting consists of 3 steps - primer, paint, clearcoat.. this is to get a nice shine and protection to the paintjob.. cool thing is - if you got a compressor and just buy a sprayer for like $30 and get alittle paint, you can have so much fun haha.. (bikes are so much eaiser then cars.. you dont have to mark off the windshield.. you just take off the fairing haha).. you can do an easy spray paint job if you like - it's the same, but i recommend you get a clearcoat can too (i think they have them)..

give me like 5 minutes and ill get some how to sites on to spray paint, or paint..

but to the question, yes you need to sand it (need to get it rough so the paint sticks really)..

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ok, this aint the best link and it's the ugliest car ever and paint haha.. but http://www.psychopanic.com/spraypaintcar.php

black is easy to do.. you base coat it, then sand, paint, *sand, paint again*, then clearcoat (* you can, put a couple of layers of paint to get a nicer finish.. watch the orange peel and watch for overspray, will cause dripping*).. clear coating a couple of times gives it a higher gloss finish, kind-of like a nice reflection.. you have to clearcoat, sand, clearcoat (always sand to get the inpurifsions out of the work, it also makes it rough to let the next spray stick to it)..

you will need to sand in a "X" way too, stroke digonially bottom-left to top-right, then stroke digonially bottom-right to top-left.. all this gives the finish product a better look, actually your tail will looks 10 times better then your front haha..

but experiment, read up alittle bit on painting.. but it's a fun hobby to do, especially on bikes..

I do wish i had my "how to" videos, but i think they are at the summer home... it's a great video but sorry =/

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RE: can i use spray paint. - 2/7/2006 8:29:01 PM

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not sure why all the lines, hope my bike dont turn out as bad

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RE: can i use spray paint. - 2/7/2006 8:44:41 PM

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city worker has got the right idea, forgot what grid size they were.. you coarse it first (100 grit), then paint it with the primer, then fine grid it (more like 800 grid, i think 1000 might be too fine).. then re-paint...

wow i just looked at that link i put up.. bad link, my bad.. let me keep looking for a better one

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http://www.modelairplanenews.com/how_to/spray_painting1.asp

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RE: can i use spray paint. - 2/9/2006 1:17:33 PM

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yea, lots of good painting web sites available. be sure you use a de-waxwer / de-greaser BEFORE you sand the fairing. otherwise, you just embed any wax/silicates deeper into the surface. can cause major problems with the basecoat / clearcoat. i painted my fairing this past summer after a drop. i just started sanding it down without the proper cleaning; needless to say, i had to start over and do it right the second time.

if you are going for an (nearly) exact factory match. go to www.colorite.com. otherwise, take a sample piece to an automotive paint store and they have a machine that will analzye and come up with a fairly close (but not necessarily 100% exact match). be warned though, automotive paints are very expensive - AND DEADLY; be sure you have proper ventilation and a good respirator that can handle the automotive paints. usually those types of respirators are only good for a matter of hours so don't open the package until ready to use, then put them back in a sealed bag when you are done for the day.

HVLP is the preferred spray system but you need a compressor with high CFM output. the HVLP guns are fairly inexpensive but a high output compressor is not. for all the money i put into painting my fairing, i could have probably bought 3 new ones from ron ayers. but i did have fun and leaned some new things.

here is a link to a very good auto painting forum: http://www.autobody101.com/forums/

here is the color rite web site: http://www.color-rite.com/

gw

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RE: can i use spray paint. - 2/9/2006 11:23:02 PM

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hey i got a question about drops.. what happens when you get get some deep scratches in the fairings? just bondo it? because i dont know how plastic really works, I usually work with metal...

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RE: can i use spray paint. - 2/10/2006 7:46:50 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Vermino

hey i got a question about drops.. what happens when you get get some deep scratches in the fairings? just bondo it? because i dont know how plastic really works, I usually work with metal...

you can use that. that is what i used (the 2 part stuff). however, what was highly recomended is a filler named Evercoat. here is a link: http://www.evercoat.com/productCategory.aspx they have a lot of products for every application.
you can get it at an automotive paint supply store. it is what the pros use. like i say, i've never used it but if i have to do anything in the future (god forbid), then i'll give it a try. the thing they said about Evercoat is that it has minimal shrinkage when it dries.

gw

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RE: can i use spray paint. - 2/10/2006 5:37:42 PM

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its gonna be a pain. me and my buddie painted his suzuki 500f using cans. this is what we did. sanded the whole thing (god it took WAY more work than i thought it was going to) after it was finally smooth. primer, light sanding with a real fine grain to get the "Fuzzies" off it. then put down a few good coats. then color wetsand it with 1000 i think we used. let dry then spray the hell out of it with a clear coat. used about 11 cans of that. the bike came out looking WAY better than i thought it would. it looked perfect actually. then more sanding... alot more sanding. i'll see if i can get some pics off him when we finished. right now we're doing the same thing with using White paint, but this time we're goign to use a gun for the clear coat.

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RE: can i use spray paint. - 2/10/2006 10:55:46 PM

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i got my own sprayer and compressor.. just easier then using a spray can.. but yeah, i like Evercoat alot.. I just didnt know if there was bondo for plastic - and i look for the best because in vegas, it gets up to 118 degrees and you know what that does to bondo.. some idoit totally bondo my 1969 camaro hood (he didnt really sand it down to find the dents) and when it hit summer, so many fricken cracks started to come up.. I'm so pissed at the newbie that did it, but i'm getting a new hood for it soon anyways..

I guess I shouldn't be b*tching, got it cherried for $8,000 - way worth it..

another question gary, what about broken fairing? any way to salavage it? solder melt the parts back together? Just wondering

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RE: can i use spray paint. - 2/11/2006 8:52:11 AM

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ORIGINAL: Vermino
another question gary, what about broken fairing? any way to salavage it? solder melt the parts back together? Just wondering

not too sure about that one. it could probably be done but i have no experience with that. i think i remember seeing something about plastic repair in one of the books. if you have a barnes and nobel near you, spend an afternoon there and browse through the various automotive bodywork / painting books. seems like that is where i saw something about plastic repair. i've seen some great work with spray paint? any problems with durability or chipping?

good luck,
gw

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RE: can i use spray paint. - 2/11/2006 9:54:53 AM

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i am a painter by trade to i can give u the best proper advice (eventhough i hate spray cans). if u are painting ontop of raw plastic or any repairs of epoxy resins u want to scuff that area down with 220-320 then apply 2part putty, sand that with 400 wet, like i was sayin bout raw plastic you will need to spray a plastic primer b4 u put down any other primer or paint. if u sand with anything finer than 400 grit, primer will not bond properly. next u want to wet sand that primer down with no more then 600. once again anything more then that and ur paint wont stick properly. wash it and clean with a good wax and grease cleaner tack it so there is no dirt or dust on it and start ur painting as long as you use a good enamel spray can you should be okay ..

if you are planing on painting something already painted just sand the shine off it with 600 and go right to paint . i have learnt through the years the best way to do any body repairs on plastic its self is always do it with wet sandpaper as it helps to keep the plastic smooth so all your paints and primer tend to go on much smoother.. good luck

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RE: can i use spray paint. - 2/11/2006 4:13:50 PM

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well im still a little confused on how to do this. someone said they sanded first and then painted sanded some more,painted , then sanded agian, and more paint. ummmm,what?

i thoguht i just had to sand the entire part first (im only painting my rear fairing), primer the part, then i dont know wats next, do u go ahead and spray paint,or do i have to sand more? y would i sand after the primer? cant i just sand,primer and paint?
i have a compressor but im not buy a spray gun,ill use can instead. i just need some simple steps

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RE: can i use spray paint. - 2/12/2006 8:34:11 PM

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well a spray can is just like a compressor/spray gun (it's just cheaper to buy a spray can).. Well listen to speedy, he is probbly a pro on plastic when im still learning on that kind of material.. im going to step by step his reply..

step 1: if u are painting ontop of raw plastic or any repairs of epoxy resins u want to scuff that area down with 220-320 then apply 2part putty (putty probbly being bondo.. i might be wrong)

step 2: sand that with 400 wet, like i was sayin bout raw plastic you will need to spray a plastic primer b4 u put down any other primer or paint. (so spray a plastic primer first, sand with 400 - then spray another primer - then paint)

*quick tip* - sand paper terms "coarse" being 220 to being "fine" 1000
if u sand with anything finer than 400 grit, primer will not bond properly. (paint needs a semi-rough surface to stick.. if you ever tried painting on a clean slate of metal, it runs like the dickens)

step 3: next u want to wet sand that primer down with no more then 600. once again anything more then that and ur paint wont stick properly. wash it and clean with a good wax and grease cleaner tack it so there is no dirt or dust on it and start ur painting as long as you use a good enamel spray can you should be okay (just talk to a tech at the store you buy the spray can at, tell them your using on plastic and need a "enamel spray can")

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now this is probbly for you because your tail probbly already painted? if it is, this will save alot more money for ya..

step 1: if you are planing on painting something already painted just sand the shine off it with 600 and go right to paint . i have learnt through the years the best way to do any body repairs on plastic its self is always do it with wet sandpaper as it helps to keep the plastic smooth so all your paints and primer tend to go on much smoother

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i do believe you need a clearcoat at the end.. I dont know how factory finishes work. if they are clearcoated or not

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RE: can i use spray paint. - 2/13/2006 9:09:08 PM

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ummmmm,aaaaaa, wat? lol, just kiddin. ok so since the tail is already painted all i have to do is sand it all off with 600 and paint? damn thats a lot easier then everything else i read thats been confusing me. so i need sand paper,gloss black spray paint and thats it, nice. well i wont be paintin this till the weekend ill let yous know how it goes

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