Largest Motor?
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Largest Motor? - 8/13/2008 7:18:17 AM
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91pusstang
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What is the largest motor you can put in a 1996 F3? Or is the case the same size but they have different sleeves/jugs on some of the bikes?
I was wondering because I was looking at mod. the bike pretty heavily soon and want a bigger more torqued motor, I have done lots of mustangs and race cars and have fouled around with fourwheelers and stuff but now I have had my F3 for about 2 yrs. now and I need more power but my F3 handles like no ones business, and I don''t know why, I blow my buddy away on his R1 2002 Model I believe through the hard curves but on the straights he just laughs at me, have money but have no exp. with street bike motors and size or fitment!
Stan
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RE: Largest Motor? - 8/13/2008 2:45:58 PM
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lonewolfcbr
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why do you care if he blows you away on straights if you can chew him in the twisties? Obviously your a much better rider...thats all that matter. Stop the competitive street racing before you or your buddy get hurt/killed.
Also..the biggest swap for a f2/f3 is the 900rr...but for what its worth...you get like another 15-20hp...for all of that you might as well get a newer 600
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RE: Largest Motor? - 8/13/2008 4:38:02 PM
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MikeZ
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It''s more than 15-20 hp. I think the F3 has 90 or so and the 900rr has about 130, so your looking at a 40 HP increase. Do a search I think someone has a writeup on it. BUT if you do the swap your bike won''t be as nimble because it has more weight and won''t be able to cut through the twisties as well, that is also why you have so much of an advantage over your friend in them. Just think what you would rather have.
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RE: Largest Motor? - 8/13/2008 4:45:19 PM
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lonewolfcbr
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You must be stating to the wheels...the engines themselves make about 100-105hp But even so...with a 900rr motor...and the already heavy f3...your still going to get left by an R1...just not as badly....
If you really li.ke the way a 600cc honda handles...get yourself a 600rr...it''ll be faster/quicker, handle as good if not better(once you adjust) and it''ll have more power than your f3. Throwing off the geometry of your bike isn''t worth it IMO...just be happy your a better rider(obviously)
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RE: Largest Motor? - 8/13/2008 7:56:40 PM
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91pusstang
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All true but I was just wondering so i could do some figuring and see which would be cheaper/neater, I like riding stuff that I build. Nothing wrong with buying something but I just like to build!
On another hand I play around with turbos slightly and was wondering if anyone has put one on a F3? But as I stated above I know very little about bikes, I know they have high compression(a HUGE NO NO for boosted app.) but are the pistons forged, cast, hyper.? Could go with N20 (Great for higher compression, but what about the cams??? Does anyone have a thorough spec sheet for the F3 (1996) cam degree,lift,duration,etc. Piston material, rod material, Crank material, etc.
I know how to make stuff go faster but no idea what is inside of my bike!?
Stan
Thanks for the input, you guys are great, most forums just tell "NEWBIES" to Search but I know all the go fast stuff just don''t know the bike stuff yet, plus everything that has a motor is basically the same( same principal, different application!!!!!)
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RE: Largest Motor? - 8/14/2008 1:53:11 PM
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lonewolfcbr
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Tell me something...why would he bother installing a turbo on a carb''d bike?
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RE: Largest Motor? - 8/14/2008 6:34:58 PM
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lonewolfcbr
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And that right there is a perfect example of "Just because you can, doesn''''t mean you should" And the first turbocharger is over 100 years old....and even so...it didn''''t see cars until the 50''''s and that was the racing scene, it didn''''t hit a stock vehicle until the 60''''s. The first charged bike....1970''''s....
On another note, not to be confrontation(a bit late maybe)....did you bother asking if this was his commuter bike? After all....it''''s longevity is going down the shitter with a turbo.
He may live somewhere where he has all winter to build...all spring/summer to ride...don''t want to be down in spring because of a blown motor...
< Message edited by lonewolfcbr -- 8/14/2008 6:45:04 PM >
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RE: Largest Motor? - 8/15/2008 1:05:48 AM
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91pusstang
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Hey VALKYIE
Do you know that guy/users name is or the thread/topic name, searched under Turbo F3 and Turbo 600 F3? Lots of topics returned but I din''t see a 600 F3 turbo thread all F4i''s and stuff?
Maybe you''ll know or someone else will, and where in the world do you buy the forged stuff for the motor from? and what will/can the cases hold on the motor?
Stan
Thanx for the pics they give me an idea of the processes needed for designing
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RE: Largest Motor? - 10/8/2008 1:56:22 PM
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dusterdude
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turbos are installed on carbed bikes all the time,talk the guys at the dragbike.com forums
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RE: Largest Motor? - 10/14/2008 9:05:58 AM
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CBRF3Norma
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You don''t have to change the frame if you put a 96 900rr motor in an F3 frame. It will bolt right it...that is my current project. You''ll have to use pretty much all the electronics from the 96 900rr as well, but you can get get away with using the F3 CDI on it and gain an extra 1000 RPMs. And btw, I have beaten every 600 I have raced (08 r6, 07 600rr, 07 gsxr 600, 06 zx6), and besides the fact that my stunt bike has a jet kit, k&n, and Yosh, it''s stock. So don''t buy a new 600rr just to get more power, its how you ride the bike, plus, if you put a 900rr motor in, you''ll have more torque.
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