RE: who is a vigalante?
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RE: who is a vigalante? - 8/26/2008 4:17:17 PM
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WhiteDealershipRice
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Vigilantism is by definition a crime.
Have I gotten run almost off the road? Yes
Has it Pissed me off ? YES!!
Laying on the horn, a stern look through a tinted visor, and (maybe) 1.5 seconds of 15,000 RPMs bouncing off the rev limiter would be the most aggression I''d reccomend against another motorist.
The time you spend plotting and attacking that motorist, will be the same time you''ll miss the next cellphone texting SUV driver that WILL "paste " you all over the countryside.
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RE: who is a vigalante? - 8/26/2008 4:27:11 PM
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TheX
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I leave the situation, and thank the powers in charge that I made it safe. The OP is going to run into someone that''s going to hand him his ass and it''s gonna sting.
My only hope is that someone gets it on video so I can enjoy the no0bto0b showing.
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RE: who is a vigalante? - 8/26/2008 5:28:36 PM
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chainstretcher
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I gave up trying to "teach" cagers anything while on the road. Even the "finger" is useless since it takes a hand off the bars. My personal preference is to just get outta there way ... although I prefer them behind me instead of in front. Have had idiots get in front then slow way down ... as Nietzsche said "That which is behind you is not important."
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RE: who is a vigalante? - 8/27/2008 4:34:16 PM
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f44life
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I think some people are just out for sportbikers and all of us are stereotype by videos and first hand occurences. All non motorcyclist think we do 150mph all over the place and pop wheelies left and right. So there will always be dum motorist and lives will be lost. 51 plymouth u can argue all my post thats cool um glad u enjoy it but u dont mean anything to me. I ride like i do and just trying to hear peoples occurences with dum motorist.
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RE: who is a vigalante? - 8/27/2008 4:42:09 PM
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TheX
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ORIGINAL: f44life
I think some people are just out for sportbikers and all of us are stereotype by videos and first hand occurences.
We are stereotyped because of riders that think they''re badasses that want to teach dumB drivers a lesson with weapons etc.
Not impressed.
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RE: who is a vigalante? - 8/27/2008 4:44:45 PM
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f44life
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didnt say i was going to. just a thought. not impressed!!
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RE: who is a vigalante? - 8/27/2008 7:12:52 PM
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VeryMotley
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Gotta admit some people make it easy to fantasize about the look on that sorry S.O.B.''s face as his mirror bounces down the Hwy. Then you pull up beside her and she''s frickin'' 90 and as scared of you as you were by her.
Eeeerrr uhh ( wave meekly ) and putter away
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RE: who is a vigalante? - 8/27/2008 8:03:30 PM
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Hurricane rider
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One last point before I hang it up for the night (sorry, but this post has me fuming).
Vigilantism helps nothing...all you''''ve managed to do is piss off the car driver who doesn''''t know who the hell you are. All they know is "A motorcyclist did this" Next time they see someone on a bike, they will try to get their payback...so you being an asshole can easily get another rider hurt or worse. I''''ve had people pull into a parking lot and get in my face because they just had to deal with 100+mph flybys and standups on the highway...I was on a bike, so it HAD to be me. I''''d rather not deal with the shit YOU start, I''''m perfectly able to start enough on my own.
Since we don''''t have a smiley giving the middle finger, I''''ll dedicate these next two to the original poster  
As VERY nice as it would be to break something on their vehicle, you''re precisely right. I"ve learned to simply use my positioning and horn to my advantage.
if you''re as visible as possible, and the dumbass still doesnt see you, THEN you have a good excuse to go yell at them. not beat them up, break something on their car or whatever, but have a good long talk about why they need to watch for others.
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RE: who is a vigalante? - 8/28/2008 10:16:18 AM
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f44life
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sometimes the middle finger isnt enough. For instance i was riding with a friend down a windy road that goes along the river. This van in front of us is doing 50mph in a 55. So we ride a couple car lengths behind to pass. The van pulls into the turning lane with no turn signal, as i begin to drive by the van pulls back over and almost hits me i had to crack the throttle to not get side swiipe. So um all pissed off. So acouple miles down my buddy and i pull over at a local ice cream/biker hangout. Sure enough this van pulls in. Um still pissed off. So right as they get out of the van. Um in there face. Husband and wife about 50years old. I got in there face and asked why the hell they almost swerved over and hit us? U were speeding they said. WTF does that have to do with anything. U r not even observant at under the speed limit and u almost side swiped me and didnt use ur turn signal u dumbfuck. So they start to ignore me. They even go up to order icecream and turn there backs to me. I got right up in there faces and cussed and bitch them the **** out right in front of probably 15people there waiting for icecream. They alll looked at me like i was going to pull a gun.
Now somebody tell me you would just give them the finger and laugh it off. They just put my life endanger by a couple feet and could of ruined my buddys day to if i would of got hit. I know they seen us because we road behind them for a mile.
So what would you guys have done in my shoes?
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RE: who is a vigalante? - 8/28/2008 1:20:14 PM
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51plymouth
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Let it go man, let it go. You have no idea how many times I''ve almost been killed over the years by people who don''t look...I count at least 5 in the last week alone. You bitching out senior citizens at a public place just makes you look like an asshole, reflecting poorly on the rest of us. You need to learn that people not are going to see you, and do stupid shit. Be ready for it, get yourself out of the situation, and LET IT GO! One day you''re going to get in someone''s face and get your ass handed right back to you, or worse. Jesus, listen to what we are all telling you, and LET IT GO! No one appointed you "Motorcycling Safety Advisor to the Public", so please just learn to LET IT GO. Please, for your own sake, learn to leave it alone and stop escalating minor shit to the status of world-ending emergencies. Stop trying to get even, or tell people to look for us...no matter how much you try, they are going to get right back in their car and go back to being blissfully unaware, or worse, you''ll piss them off and they''ll decide to start ****ing with us. Either way, there is no improvement.
Back to your story...you were pissed that the minivan tried to use vigilantism to keep you from speeding, yet you want to use it to teach them to look/be aware. How are you any better than them?
(this is me)
< Message edited by 51plymouth -- 8/28/2008 1:23:21 PM >
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RE: who is a vigalante? - 8/28/2008 1:26:04 PM
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Griffin
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I''d have not started by yelling and swearing. As soon as you start yelling or flipping them the finger, you''re into a fight. You are NOT going to get them to see things from your point of view.
Also, keep in mind that most of us make mistakes. I sometimes cut people off or fail to yield or pull out without giving traffic enough space. I feel badly when I realize what I''ve done. Having someone attack me though will just get my blood boiling.
Another thing, 400 lb bike versus 3000 lb car. Who do you think is gonna win at road wars? And for those of you in the Excited States, there''s a high probability the guy is carrying, isn''t there?
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RE: who is a vigalante? - 8/28/2008 1:27:08 PM
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51plymouth
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Look F4, I''m not trying to turn this into a pissing contest, but there is a lot of good advice being given by others in this thread, just doesn''t seem like much is being taken. I understand you don''t like me or my opinions, so whatever I say will fall on deaf ears...but please take some of the other members advice. Please?
Stay safe out there.
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RE: who is a vigalante? - 8/28/2008 2:39:25 PM
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voodoochyl
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Soooo many good points in here. If you think you are going to teach people to start seeing bikes, or stop cutting us off, or stop tailgaiting us, or stop wanting to race us, I think you should sell your bike. When I got my bike, I told myself that everyone is trying to kill me, and the only person responsible for me making it home everynight is...ME. I do that with the help of generous amounts of SIPDE, and minimal amounts of punching, kicking, and tantrum throwing. Sure, I can punch someone''s mirror off, but what about the guy that pulls infront of me five minutes later, or the lady five minutes after that, or the old man five minutes after that? Punching off mirrors is like spitting on a fire to put it out.
As someone else said, I have cut people off in traffic numerous times (actually never a motorcycle, though.) I always feel terrible when I do it, too. It is always an accident. If someone were to take that personally, I would feel bad for their ignorance. If someone busted the mirror on my wife or parent''s car because they accidentally came over, I would love to find that guy and shove a rubber fist up his keyster. I can understand frustration at asshats that do this stuff intentionally, but a million bikers with a million angry fists will never change a damn thing. I will bet you a million, zillion, trillion dollars.
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