Dunlop qualifiers i figured out why they suck
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Dunlop qualifiers i figured out why they suck - 9/8/2008 6:07:27 PM
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oakasrtheshiz
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okay so i know this was in another thread but i couldnt find it so here goes..im pretty sure that a huge reason that the tires suck that come stock are because they do differ drasticly then the ones you buy off of the shelf. the ones that come stock are actually made by the sumitomo rubber corp in japan. the tires that you buy off of the shelf are either made in the good ol'' USA or in France.. and are not sub contracted out to another company..so how i came about this.. i noticed the other day when airing up my tires that it said "sumitomo rubber corp made in japan" so i assumed this was normal and today i took my wifes car in to get serviced and we ended up talking about tires and i made a comment about sumitomo being the parent company to dunlop and he proceeded to explain to me that they were a german company and yadayada yada..so then im walking home while wifeys cars getting worked on and i had to walk by the motorcycle shop so i went in and looked at every dunlop qualifier they had (in the previous thread i believe it was shorrtbuss that had made a comment about them not sucking off the shelf) and sure enough every one was made in either USA or france. so then i went and looked at the hondas and every one said sumitoma rubber corp. japan. soo i think i cracked why they suck..any one else have thoughts on this??
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RE: Dunlop qualifiers i figured out why they suck - 9/9/2008 12:02:23 AM
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LOL. I''ve been saying this (in a slightly different way) for a while now.
When I first bought my 07 600RR, I noticed the tread pattern was different than the regular Qualifier''s I purchased at a dealer for my 06 600RR. So I did a little dabbling and discovered (though, not as detailed as you found out) that they are two completely different tires. The OEM "Qualifier''s" really just use the name. Off-the-Shelf Qualifier''s are the real, sticky deal.
Glad I''m not the only one out there noticing this kind of stuff. Good job.
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RE: Dunlop qualifiers i figured out why they suck - 9/9/2008 4:58:06 AM
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Wasn''t me that said that, but I''m never too proud to steal somebody else''s ideas and take the credit 
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RE: Dunlop qualifiers i figured out why they suck - 9/9/2008 12:43:52 PM
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So Why would Dunlop want to earn a bad rep for their tires? I ride with a guy on an 08 600RR with stock qualifiers and he pushes the bike to its limits and never had any complaints with his stockers.
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RE: Dunlop qualifiers i figured out why they suck - 9/9/2008 12:48:24 PM
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i think it may depend on the climate you live in. because i havent really had a problem with them either. but alot of other people have. i live in so cal so its never really to cold here. theres another thread that goes into what sucks about them..as i said on the thread my only gripe with them is that they dont dissipate heat very well.
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RE: Dunlop qualifiers i figured out why they suck - 9/9/2008 12:59:50 PM
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heres the link to that other thread http://www.cbrforum.com/m_633465/tm.htm
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RE: Dunlop qualifiers i figured out why they suck - 9/9/2008 8:36:36 PM
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Bike manufacturers usually work with tire manufacturers to come up with spacific versions of the shelf tire for each model bike.
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RE: Dunlop qualifiers i figured out why they suck - 9/9/2008 9:26:09 PM
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I think many people just get it into their heads that they "suck" because they hear it so often.......but in actuality, they are pretty decent tires for being OEM. And yes, they are completely different tires from off-the-shelf Qualifiers.........which in my opinion are absolutely amazing tires. Track days, commuting, aggressive twisties and not to mention, track time at Laguna Seca.......all on Dunlop "off the shelf" Qualifier''s, and I''m always amazed and never let down.
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RE: Dunlop qualifiers i figured out why they suck - 9/10/2008 6:27:17 PM
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I still have what I believe is the stock qualifier in front and a Pilot power radial in back...how is that going to effect my handling?
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RE: Dunlop qualifiers i figured out why they suck - 9/10/2008 9:53:30 PM
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^^ If i''m not mistaken those tires have 2 different types of profiles and isn''t recommended. Maybe somebody can give further insight into this for you.
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RE: Dunlop qualifiers i figured out why they suck - 9/11/2008 12:08:28 AM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Mwall
I still have what I believe is the stock qualifier in front and a Pilot power radial in back...how is that going to effect my handling?
It''s the differing compound, grip limits, feel, etc. that you have to worry about. The front tire will be giving you feedback from one book, and the rear tire will be at a completely different library, giving you a different perspective. The front will say "sure, plenty of grip" and the back screams out "whoops, no more grip"........and now you get yourself into a situation. A better way to have gone would be to have replaced the rear tire with another Dunlop, so at least it''s closer to the same specs as the front.
But yeah, it''s never a good idea to mix tire compounds, ESPECIALLY different brands of tires. I would have the front tire replaced to match the rear tires as soon as possible.
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RE: Dunlop qualifiers i figured out why they suck - 9/11/2008 7:32:57 PM
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my stock dunlops were great at the track, but i have noticed when i got new off the shelf dunlops they felt better. we will see in october when i do the team hammer school again.
< Message edited by f3racer -- 9/11/2008 7:34:08 PM >
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RE: Dunlop qualifiers i figured out why they suck - 9/11/2008 9:49:44 PM
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i ran Sumitomos on my beater 02 Spec v. They were the cheapest 215-25-r17s you can get. that were Z rated 100 bucks installed each!!!
The quality not too impressed. but you pay for what you get right?
Right now i am running Michelin Pilot Powers! Love them!
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RE: Dunlop qualifiers i figured out why they suck - 9/12/2008 12:06:20 AM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Blue Fox
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ORIGINAL: Mwall
I still have what I believe is the stock qualifier in front and a Pilot power radial in back...how is that going to effect my handling?
It''''s the differing compound, grip limits, feel, etc. that you have to worry about. The front tire will be giving you feedback from one book, and the rear tire will be at a completely different library, giving you a different perspective. The front will say "sure, plenty of grip" and the back screams out "whoops, no more grip"........and now you get yourself into a situation. A better way to have gone would be to have replaced the rear tire with another Dunlop, so at least it''''s closer to the same specs as the front.
But yeah, it''''s never a good idea to mix tire compounds, ESPECIALLY different brands of tires. I would have the front tire replaced to match the rear tires as soon as possible.
Well said Blue,
Also have to worry about a rounder profile tire will turn-in slower then a sharper profile tire, which in turn will alter the bikes handling characteristics.
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RE: Dunlop qualifiers i figured out why they suck - 9/13/2008 11:27:40 AM
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im going to chime in....... , i hate the stock qualifiers. <- thats a period!
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