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Brake de-link help - 10/6/2008 1:48:34 PM   
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I''ve bought a set of front brakes off eBay so I can do the project and still have my bike ridable. I could use a little help. Did anyone make a template of the plates used to replace the secondary master cylinder on the left side? I don''t have the tools to make my own so I''ll need to find someone in town to make them for me.

I figure that I can convert the calipers I bought and replace the linked brakes if I need to or want to sell the bike I can''t imagine selling though.

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RE: Brake de-link help - 10/6/2008 9:25:04 PM   
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Did you buy calipers from the same year of manufacture as your bike ? If they''re from a 92 or earlier, I don''t think they''ll fit- the mounting points on the front are different.........
It''s a big project.....good luck

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RE: Brake de-link help - 10/7/2008 8:00:39 AM   
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I have a 93 and the calipers are from a 95 so they''re interchangeable. They came with all the hoses. I just didn''t want to screw up the original calipers.

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RE: Brake de-link help - 10/7/2008 9:29:54 AM   
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Are you aware of the specific bleeding sequence to be followed with DCBS bikes ?

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RE: Brake de-link help - 10/7/2008 2:52:42 PM   
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I haven''t done any brake work on the bike so I haven''t had to bleed them. I do have the Honda factory manual.

Is it really a big project? The description of it seems pretty straightforward. The only thing I wish I had is compressed air to blow out the calipers after drilling through the chambers.

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RE: Brake de-link help - 10/7/2008 3:03:26 PM   
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I would have sold my bike if I could not have de-linked it. I hate the LBS.

It is a simple process. You really don''t want to go back to linked once you de-link. I don''t think de-linking would detour a buyer. To me it is a big plus.

Look at the attached picture. I made two simple brackets from some thin aluminum flat stock I got at Home Depot. Save all of you fasteners and use them as I did.

I flew to Green Bay today and I am a long way from home so I can''t help as much as I would like. I have all the parts and part numbers needed to do what I did to de-link at home. I also would have made you some brackets or traced mine.

The first step is to remove all brake lines, hoses, calipers and valves. All you should have is the master cylinder on the clip-on.

Make ready the calipers (I take it that you have read the thread on de-linking and have seen the pictures).

Make the brackets by drawing the outline on the aluminum stock and then hack sawing the ruff shape. Finish the bracket with a coarse flat and rounded file. It only takes 1/2 hour per bracket to make. I used large aluminum washers and cable crimps that I got from Home Depot.
In the photo you can see the cable crimps that I drilled out to 5/16". I think I sawed the cable crimps to 3/8" thickness but I can''t remember for sure what thickness they are. The S.S. lines are direct order off of a 1990(that year is not linked).

There is no special bleeding when de-linked, you will however need to get the air out of the lower bleeds before doing the tops.


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RE: Brake de-link help - 10/7/2008 3:18:09 PM   
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In the photo above you can see that I used the factory bolts up top. Below I used a bolt that is the same diameter as the factory bolt or what ever was passing through the caliper. I could not find a 8mm bolt the correct length.

Re-cap on the photo, first you see the bracket then the cable crimp, the washer and then the caliper. On the other side of the caliper would be the washer, cable crimp, bracket, lock washer and nut.

The cable crimp is just a spacer that I built. It was the easiest thing to do to get the proper spacing. I wish I were home to measure it. I cut it to length and then opened the hole up to take the bolt.

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RE: Brake de-link help - 10/7/2008 5:17:46 PM   
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I read the posted process several times and the calipers seem pretty straightforward. I have a hacksaw and files so I should be able to make brackets like you did. The only thing I''m not sure about is the spacing of the holes for the top caliper bolt, which is the whole point to make brackets.

Another reason I want to de-link is so I can use SS lines. It should make a big difference replacing 15 year old rubber hoses and cutting down the line length.

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RE: Brake de-link help - 10/7/2008 5:56:01 PM   
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Once you make the far side bracket (you can make a template from cardboard first if you like), hold it up to he far side fork leg and position it where you want it to be and scribe the holes with a pin or needle or any thing else that works by inserting the scriber through the fork leg bolt holes. When you get the two top holes where you want them, bolt the bracket in place and mount the caliper at the bottom and scribe the bottom hole in the bracket. Use this bracket as a pattern to make the near side bracket.

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RE: Brake de-link help - 10/7/2008 8:42:58 PM   
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There are Companies on the net that will supply SS lines for the linked brake bike.
E-Bay UK is the place to look.
I''ll have a scout around and see what I can find - maybe save you some trouble !

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RE: Brake de-link help - 10/7/2008 9:00:52 PM   
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This is one company - there are plenty of others.
I used this one to show colours.
ttp://cgi.ebay.co.uk/STAINLESS-STEEL-BRAKE-LINES-ZX7R-ZX9R-BLEED-NIPPLES_W0QQitemZ230298750967QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item230298750967&_trkparms=72%3A1301%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

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RE: Brake de-link help - 10/10/2008 3:10:07 PM   
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You will notice the biggest difference if you just change the front pair of hoses to braided on the LBS bikes.

They are also the easiest to do because you bleed just like a non LBS system.

Only when you want to change the rear hoses and front to rear hoses does the bleeding get more technical.

If you do decide to de-link,  you might want to find the master cylinder from a CB1300 ( 14mm master cylinder ).
This will correct the lever/caliper ratio when you link the three pistons in each front caliper.

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RE: Brake de-link help - 10/10/2008 4:23:44 PM   
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Is it worth the trouble to de-link your brakes? This is my first bike so I''ve always ridden with linked brakes.

I''m in the east bay. I haven''t seen too many hurricanes around here

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RE: Brake de-link help - 10/10/2008 9:06:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Dean0

You will notice the biggest difference if you just change the front pair of hoses to braided on the LBS bikes.

They are also the easiest to do because you bleed just like a non LBS system.

Only when you want to change the rear hoses and front to rear hoses does the bleeding get more technical.

If you do decide to de-link,  you might want to find the master cylinder from a CB1300 ( 14mm master cylinder ).
This will correct the lever/caliper ratio when you link the three pistons in each front caliper.


The main reason I want to do this is to isolate the front and rear brakes for fast riding in the curves. I''m used to trail braking with the front and using the rear when I think I''m too fast in the curve. At regular riding and a little fast the brakes work perfectly fine. I even like braking slow like to a stop sign using just the rear less fork dive and it actually stops.

They never imported the CB1300 into the states so I don''t think I could get the master cylinder unless I bought new from Honda. I''ll have to check if another bike has the same part number.

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RE: Brake de-link help - 10/11/2008 12:08:21 AM   
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The CB1300 has the same piston size as these bikes.  They each have their own part numbers for the Master Cylinder themselves, but as long as the piston diameter is the same its all good.  Or get yours bored out to 14mm then use a new piston & seal kits of Ebay.

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