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RE: Bikes from a Police Officers Viewpoint... - 4/1/2006 9:24:58 AM
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kiggy74
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Well, its one thing added to the totality of everything I observe. If I see damage I'll ask how they got it, if they were the first owner etc. I look at the fairing and pegs along with the general way they are riding the bike to see if they can ride or have no experience. Them being a new rider or experienced doesnt mean a break or citation by itself but gives me some added insight into what kind of rider they are and their mindset (generally responsible or a squid). Then I look at their driving record. All this adds into my decision whether to give a warning, one citation for speed or unsafe lane change, or adding a negligent/reckless driving charge. If they ran and got caught I might add attempting to elude.
One time I was puttering along the Interstate around 3am when a bike blew past me so fast that my car shook. I would guess that he was doing about 160mph or more..easy. I was able to keep his taillights in view for a little while and I could tell that the guy was good and real smooth. I had my lights on and he made no attempt to stop. I had a gut instinct that he was going to take the next exit so I shut off my lights and took the exit. Lo and behold he was stopped at the first intersection off the exit ramp, stretching his arms out. Pulled in front, jumped out, and ordered him off the bike. He gunned the engine, and tried to squeeze past my car and the guardrail. Just as my hands went onto his riding jacket he cleared the space and hit the throttle. Almost lost it as the back tire spun on loose gravel. I let him go as the plate was bent and there was no way he was going to be cocky enough to stop again. Had my hands found purchase on his jacket and I got him off all of the above-mentioned considerations would have gone out the window. It would have been weekend vacation at the jail for him and a full book of citations. The considerations I mention are for people that make a mistake, own up to it or at the minimum courteous, and don't hurt anyone else in the process.
I could never be a cop. My brain is missing the thoughts that tell you NOT to shoot someone that does stuff like this. It would be too tempting to cap a guy in this situation. 
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RE: Bikes from a Police Officers Viewpoint... - 4/1/2006 7:54:32 PM
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CBR76
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Well, its one thing added to the totality of everything I observe. If I see damage I'll ask how they got it, if they were the first owner etc. I look at the fairing and pegs along with the general way they are riding the bike to see if they can ride or have no experience. Them being a new rider or experienced doesnt mean a break or citation by itself but gives me some added insight into what kind of rider they are and their mindset (generally responsible or a squid). Then I look at their driving record. All this adds into my decision whether to give a warning, one citation for speed or unsafe lane change, or adding a negligent/reckless driving charge. If they ran and got caught I might add attempting to elude.
One time I was puttering along the Interstate around 3am when a bike blew past me so fast that my car shook. I would guess that he was doing about 160mph or more..easy. I was able to keep his taillights in view for a little while and I could tell that the guy was good and real smooth. I had my lights on and he made no attempt to stop. I had a gut instinct that he was going to take the next exit so I shut off my lights and took the exit. Lo and behold he was stopped at the first intersection off the exit ramp, stretching his arms out. Pulled in front, jumped out, and ordered him off the bike. He gunned the engine, and tried to squeeze past my car and the guardrail. Just as my hands went onto his riding jacket he cleared the space and hit the throttle. Almost lost it as the back tire spun on loose gravel. I let him go as the plate was bent and there was no way he was going to be cocky enough to stop again. Had my hands found purchase on his jacket and I got him off all of the above-mentioned considerations would have gone out the window. It would have been weekend vacation at the jail for him and a full book of citations. The considerations I mention are for people that make a mistake, own up to it or at the minimum courteous, and don't hurt anyone else in the process.
I could never be a cop. My brain is missing the thoughts that tell you NOT to shoot someone that does stuff like this. It would be too tempting to cap a guy in this situation.
Actually, I've never even come close to thinking of doing something like that  seeing how it would cost me everything I love, including my job and personal freedom. In the course of a workday I don't have the luxury of indulging my personal feelings and have to maintain my professional bearing and composure as much as possible. I know full well that every gesture, facial expression, and statement I make has permanent effects on everyone involved, being the person I'm dealing with and the general public.
Even if I'm having the worst day ever and feel miserable I have to set it aside and get the job done in the best way possible. In this business image and perception is everything. Whether its on the street or even here on the forum with my posts I have to hold myself to a higher standard. Even if none of you have actually thought about it, its what you expect and to be utterly frank..you should. I try to carry and express myself here the same way I do on the road. I won't allow myself to be affected by personal attacks, get caught up in flame wars, or post comments that could be construed as inappropriate or disrespectful to any individual, from any background or culture. The day I began to lose control or permit my personal feelings to influence the way I work I will turn in my gun and badge.
As far as the rider mentioned above I DID later think of something a co-worker once did to a guy he wanted to stop but knew would run. The rider had been flying down the road, in heavy traffic and stopped at a light. My co-worker pulled up in the rider's blindspot, got out, and sneaked up..sliding his expandable baton in between the spokes of
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RE: Bikes from a Police Officers Viewpoint... - 4/1/2006 10:19:50 PM
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kiggy74
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I'm sure you're right. Probably a good example why you're a cop and I'm not.
< Message edited by kiggy74 -- 4/1/2006 10:20:16 PM >
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RE: Bikes from a Police Officers Viewpoint... - 4/2/2006 12:23:22 AM
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Now that everyone licked you boots can we get some...pba cards
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RE: Bikes from a Police Officers Viewpoint... - 4/2/2006 7:48:20 AM
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CBR76
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Now that everyone licked you boots can we get some...pba cards
Naw, but I've got a "Junior Trooper" badge with your name on it.
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RE: Bikes from a Police Officers Viewpoint... - 4/4/2006 1:58:45 AM
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this is an interesting thread. i've been down to 1 point on my license on several occasions (almost all from speeding in my car), so i've been pulled over quite a bit. it actually got to be quite routine. of all the cops that stopped me, i've only come across 1 city cop that was a jerk, and 1 state trooper that seemed to be equally a jerk. i commuted to work 60miles away for 3 years, and the highway i rode was the major highway to get from one city to the next, so you see more commuters than anything. after being stopped so much, i realized that 1- most of the troopers in my town are logical, and use common sense in writing citations 2- they take into account where your going or where your coming from (a lil' more leniant on commuters), and C- if you turn the radio station to country music, you will almost ALWAYS get off with a warning :) LOL sorry, had to do it. really, not saying it does have anything to do with it, but the passed few times i was pulled over and switched it to country, i really have gotten a warning - even when paced at 75mph in a 45mph!!! i find this very odd. anywho, i'm always polite, respectful, and often try to make the trooper feel at ease when i get stopped. if i'm speeding and see him u-turn for me, i go ahead and slow down to wait on him, pull over in a safe spot, turn the car off, and have my license, ins, and registration waiting for him when he gets to my car. i always apologize for the speeding, explain why or whatever, and have gotten off with so many warnings it's ridiculous. i've never once criticized or gotten angry at a trooper for stopping me for something i know i'm doing illegal (even if it's 6mph over the limit). the one time i got stopped on my bike, the trooper was very professional and i think he took into account that i had just gotten my motorcycle permit the day before. he explained how he'd been following me with his lights on through the whole neighborhood, but i didn't see him until i saw a sheriff running at me out the corner of my eye. i then turned around and the trooper was there behind me with lights blazing and all. i immediately stopped, shut it off, and started getting my wallet out. he pulled me for not signalling that i was turning into the neighborhood. i had no signals (front or rear), no license plate, and no mirrors. he told me that he didn't know i was turning, and could've easily run into the back of me. he turned in right behind me with the lights on, backed off when a dog ran out at me, and got right back behind me again until i stopped. he then noted about my mirrors, and stated that's prolly why i didn't see him. he could've given me a ton of citations, but gave me a warning and told me to be more careful. i'm sure it was a mixture of me being a new rider and being honest and respectful towards him that lead him to make that decision. i try to treat an officer the way i feel would make them comfortable, they have the hard part of it all anyways...
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RE: Bikes from a Police Officers Viewpoint... - 4/5/2006 4:32:58 AM
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bumblebeegsxr
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I personally think... that if you pull out ur license, registration, and insurance and have it ready for the cop by the time he walks up to you, It kinda looks like youve been there before and probably MANY times since youre showing that you know the routine and you know what hes gonna ask you for!
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RE: Bikes from a Police Officers Viewpoint... - 4/5/2006 2:03:06 PM
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CBR76
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I personally think... that if you pull out ur license, registration, and insurance and have it ready for the cop by the time he walks up to you, It kinda looks like youve been there before and probably MANY times since youre showing that you know the routine and you know what hes gonna ask you for!
Hmmmmm.... If you have a decent driving record and take the initiative to have your stuff out I'm not going to think badly of you because of it. Maybe some others might think that but not me. Just stopping and not trying to out-run me makes me look at the situation in a good light.
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RE: Bikes from a Police Officers Viewpoint... - 4/5/2006 6:21:09 PM
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Fretless33
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I personally think... that if you pull out ur license, registration, and insurance and have it ready for the cop by the time he walks up to you, It kinda looks like youve been there before and probably MANY times since youre showing that you know the routine and you know what hes gonna ask you for!
I don't think it's a good idea to be fumbling into your pockets while the officer is approaching you...
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RE: Bikes from a Police Officers Viewpoint... - 4/7/2006 1:00:26 PM
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smarterben
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I don't think it's a good idea to be fumbling into your pockets while the officer is approaching you...
I was thinking the same thing....any thoughts cbr76?
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RE: Bikes from a Police Officers Viewpoint... - 4/8/2006 4:27:17 AM
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bumblebeegsxr
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Exactly....goin thru ur pockets while hes walking up to the car will get you a bright flashlight in your face and him with the other hand on his gun.
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RE: Bikes from a Police Officers Viewpoint... - 4/8/2006 2:30:33 PM
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CBR76
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I don't think it's a good idea to be fumbling into your pockets while the officer is approaching you...
I was thinking the same thing....any thoughts cbr76?
I'd suggest having all your paperwork and everything together (as in paperclipped and in your pocket or under the rear seat). Its fine to not have it out when I walk up but at least readily available when I ask for it. I only get really suspicious when they don't have a registration card, there's no plate visible, and the info provided by the rider doesnt match up with what comes back over the radio.
I'm not going to say there's a perfect way to do everything, for every given circumstance, but that common sense and a pleasant demeanor goes a long way.
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RE: Bikes from a Police Officers Viewpoint... - 4/8/2006 7:39:35 PM
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Even tho we all get caught up with "hating the cops", (as you can see im barely past the teen ages) I still respect what you guys go through everyday and appreciate it. Even tho I never been pulled over by a cop on my bike (i'm too observate when i ride, i always look on the top of the cars for the flashers), When i get pulled over in my car - I do try to pull into a parking area for the officer, so he isnt in danger while talking to me (seen one two many Real TV's, and it can happen).. But I try to be as respectful as I can to an officer, because most have to deal with 24/7 A-holes, day after day..
But some officers do take there authority out of context (well you see some bad apples here and there in vegas.. but it happens)
I guess I can't say I never been riding without a helmet or just a t-shirt on, because i have.. but the scars show it, the best lesson learned in my life - and i will never forget about wearing the cow skin again..
Well i'm just trying to say, I'm happy there are cops that know how bullet bikes are - it hard to keep in the speed limit sometimes, and thank you for being out there to keep the roads and streets safe.
- also about the paperwork, that would scare me to even put my hands in my pocket (it's like walking around with a bottle of water in a gorcery store, "do they think you bought it?".. idk, but you do feel guilty)... well if that situation ever comes up, i'll just wait for the officer to ask me - or just tell him to get it out of my pocket (thank god i'm getting 2000+ year next bike.. i actually get a conpartment for my registration
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