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ORIGINAL: rippn

Matt365, tough love, good job !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!You just had an HUGE hand, probably saving that guys life!!!!!!! I'll never forget the MSF instructors sad look, when i cruised into class, on the last day(no license) on a 80' kz 1300 6 cyl dresser!!!!!!!!! One of those "nice known ya" deals. I hope that guy rides w/ mature riders and is teachable... so he has wisdom to pass on,once possesed. Good job all, we know there is the odd few, that would survive a K begginer bike, but my own exp., By the grace of GOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Clean and free, only smoke'n harleys!!!!!!!!! Ripp'n

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ORIGINAL: mazdajoe

No, I'm not a person that likes to make things out to be harder than they really are... Tell me, what is so complicated about it. You turn the throttle with your right hand, operate the clutch with your left hand, operate the brakes with your right foot and right hand, and change gears with your left foot. Then turning is just like riding a bicycle and you follow the rules of the road the exact same way you would in a car. I dont see where the complication is. My dad hasnt ridden in 20 years and he hopped on my f4i when I had it and rode it fine. It took me all of 4 hours to become comfortable enough with my first bike to ride it on every type road in all conditions except snow and I had ZERO previous motorcycle experience and very limited manual transmission experience but I have had thousands of hours of bicycle experience. Taking down hill corners at 30+mph on knobby dirt tires will teach anyone the art of cornering. Maybe I am just a naturally talented rider and I should go pro, or your making motorcycling out to be some sort of superhuman activity.

Maybe you should seriously re evaluate your erroneous thinking that a motorcycle which has 130+hp can be compared to riding a bicycle, that in and of itself is outrageous! But let me tell you which skills are vital if you want to survive when being a motorcyclist on the streets where you claim no skills are needed.

1. You have drivers drinking coffee, while talking on their cell phone and sending emails on their black berry while at the wheel of 5000+ pounds SUV's. Don't you think this is a substantial danger which you have to contend with and have critical braking, avoidance and alertness skills to contend with?
2. You have huge blind spots in cars, trucks, etc etc which if you are not alert to, could cause someone to drive right over you, and I mean this quite literally.
3. You have a machine capable of accelerating to 60+mph in less than 4 seconds and put you underneath a 10000 pound garbage truck, because you have no throttle control.
4. You have cars making left turns in front of you when they are not supposed to, pulling out of strip malls with out looking, and you say this requires no skills?
5. You have cars deciding to exit highways at high speed at the last possible second, and cutting you of with no regard for your or anyone else’s safety, and this requires no skills to prevent?
6. You have a vehicle in which if you do not know the mechanics and use the back brake in panic situations, you will skid out of control and be hit by a car, hit a tree, guard rail etc.
7. You have open bridge grates, holes, oil spills, gravel, and according to you none of these things require any skill to evade and live to tell about it?

Your dad may have ridden your bike under no adverse conditions. As for you, I doubt you have experienced every type of road in all conditions, if you had your opinions would be very different I can assure you. I am very sorry but it is quite apparent that you are not the talented rider you think you are. Proficient motorcycling takes years to learn, and it does require many skills whether on the road or on the track. It’s just wrong to try to convince people that are new to the sport that street riding requires little skill. I will not stand for that, as it’s the fastest way to get someone killed.

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ORIGINAL: mazdajoe
As for the tiered licensing thing....that is plain and simply ridiculous. It is not the governments job to protect the individual from himself. Tiered licenses are an extremely socialist program. I could go on and on about the dangers of socialism as that institution really disgusts me. What gives you the right to say someone cannot do something because he doesnt have enough years of experience. ****in liberal socialists go on and on about protecting the general populus that they forget the rights of the individual---which is what this country was founded on. First comes tiered licensing, then comes bikes limited to 110hp like the law that those commie French just passed. That is the first step in motorcycles being legislated out of existence. People should be able to buy whatever they want. Thats why I hate the fact that a vast majority of my tax money goes to the war on drugs, the war on prostitution, social security, and other socialist programs that are ruining this country. If people want to **** up their lives then let them. Why do you think you have to be the savior and help people who do not want help or who put themselves into bad situations. If people want to ride a 600hp bike with no previous experience then let them, it doesnt affect you any does it? There will be hell to pay when some son of a bitch tells me I can't buy a bike because I lack enough years of experience, or when bikes are limited to 110hp in this country, which will happen unless you girls stop trying to save your fellow man from hurting themselves. ****in worry about yourself.

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ORIGINAL: dpera001

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If people want to ride a 600hp bike with no previous experience then let them, it doesnt affect you any does it? There will be hell to pay when some son of a bitch tells me I can't buy a bike because I lack enough years of experience, or when bikes are limited to 110hp in this country, which will happen unless you girls stop trying to save your fellow man from hurting themselves. ****in worry about yourself.

all good points but it can effect you if a noobie on a 600hp bike t bones your car at 100+ mph or runs off the road into your yard and runs over your child...im not supporting socialism or tiered licences in any way im just trying to point out that there are flaws to this system but there are also advantages. It can be pointed out that this could also happen on a 50cc mini bike but the odds are in favor of the larger bike whether one chooses to believe it or not.

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