RE: Steering damper install question
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RE: Steering damper install question - 4/10/2006 7:08:03 PM
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Opie21
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wow guess i came in alittle laten on this one i have a hyperpro and luv it does not mean its the best but its the best for me and install was very easy...
see, thats what i was talking about. just because something isn't the best product out there doesnt automatically classify it as crap. if youre not using your bike for racing or even trackdays, then it honestly doesnt even make sense to spend all your money on the stuff the pros are using.
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RE: Steering damper install question - 4/10/2006 7:46:51 PM
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Lord Duckhunter
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No it takes much more than just that, like a long & documented history of HyperPro failures in the field including leaking units & some that just plain give out. This is known among both racers & street riders, but it is obvious you guys aren't interested in the real scoop. You simply want someone to come along & validate your opinion and/or purchase rather than hear the cold hard truth. Fair enough, I have no stake in it either way. I don't sell anything to anyone I just do the reviews...
But by your own words if the Pro's aren't using a certain brand of product don't you think there might be a reason for that? Go check the paddock at your next local AMA Superbike round. You won't find many HyperPro dampers (if any), but you will see lots of Ohlins rod types, some Scott's, GPR & even some of the new Pit-Bull units. The Pros that make their living by winning races don't waste their time or money on questionable parts. They use what they know won't let them down & will do the job when it counts.
< Message edited by Lord Duckhunter -- 4/10/2006 7:47:43 PM >
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RE: Steering damper install question - 4/10/2006 7:51:09 PM
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tutman6
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But by your own words if the Pro's aren't using a certain brand of product don't you think there might be a reason for that?
Yeah because they arent sponsored by them.
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RE: Steering damper install question - 4/10/2006 8:08:32 PM
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Lord Duckhunter
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Oh puhlease... You think it all comes down to sponsorship??? NOBODY is sponsored by OHLINS, If you are running Ohlins parts, shocks, forks or dampers then you are paying for it. Justl look at how many privateers in the AMA are running Ohlins parts, quite a few. Hell the American Honda team had to fight tooth & nail to be able to use Ohlins this year since Honda owns Showa & Yamaha own Ohlins.
In addition the American Honda Superbikes have Akra exhausts made to HRC specs with Jardine badges on them for marketing purposes. Jardine Actually pays American Honda to USE their logo to give the impression that their exhaust is worthy enough of being used on the Honda Factory teams...
I know club racers that have EBC stickers on their bike for contingency money, but run another brand of brake pad because the EBC pads just suck.
Very little is what it seems, but some parts work very well & some parts do not & there are way more crap products out there for our bikes than there are quality ones period.
You really should take a minute of your time & think about who you really want to take your advice from. For example: Think about how many riders in these forums review tires. How many times have you read the words "they stuck like glue all day" or "I could never get them to slide" etc after somebody gets a new brand of tires to try on their bike? When you read that do you believe the tires are really that good? Cause when I read that all I see is some street squid that probably can't ride for crap to begin with giving others some advice that means nothing. A real tire tester or anyone that is in the position to evaluate a tires performance knows that there isn't a tire made that he can't spin up or make slide & if someone is giving a review telling you his tire never slid once the whole day he just plain wasn't riding hard enough & probably shouldn't be the one to be telling others how the tire performed. How about when someone changes their brakelines out for some braided ones & then comes back & tells everyone how he did several accidental stoppies because of the new lines. Do you really believe that too? Have you ever done an accidental stoppie after installing new brake lines? I haven't....
Same thing here. If you want to listen to a street rider that probably has no other experience installing, using or even back to back testing a steering damper over someone that has first hand specific experience in the field then go right ahead. Just be aware that you are only hurting yourselves when you perpetuate inaccurate information to each other about the quality and/or performance of various products.
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RE: Steering damper install question - 4/10/2006 11:28:23 PM
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Opie21
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i'm not arguing the quality of hyperpro vs. ohlins dampers, and i'm not trying to come off as an expert at all. you've (duck hunter) clearly shown that you know your shit. i was just saying that the average street rider doesnt need to spend the extra money for the top product. honestly, most of us will never push these machines to the point where we will truly notice the distinct differences in quality of various products. you yourself said that in order to truly test a product, you need to push it to the limits. well, most of us dont do that. All the info you provided about the AMA racers was great and very informative, but as fas as i know, doesnt really apply to this forum. How many of the riders on this forum are AMA caliber racers and need their bikes to be at the very pinnacle of performance everytime they ride? not many, thats for sure!
i guess all that is just a roundabout way of saying why get AMA quality parts when you don't ride in the AMA? And maybe i'm being overly presumptuous and maybe tutman is an AMA caliber rider, but probably not. if you want to best quality parts out there, great, more power to ya. however, if you dont feel the need to have the best of everything, you dont have to feel cheated by the lower quality of your product.
also, i've read plenty of good reviews about hyperpro, including a British sportbike site that tested the damper on the track and pushed it harder than your average Joe Shmoe "street squid" as you like to say.
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