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RE: HIGH SPEED TURN OFF ? - 6/23/2007 1:29:56 PM

phil056

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well, i got my bike to start but it will not idle if i turn off the choke, plus it's verry choppy when i rode around my block (very slow just to see if the carbs would smooth out, which they didn't. soon as i took off the choke, it dies.
Would cleaning the carbs cure this issue? or is it something worse? thanks!

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RE: HIGH SPEED TURN OFF ? - 6/23/2007 1:37:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: pacojoseph
How long has it been since you've ridden, and how hard are you trying to get the bike to start, i.e. are you using the bikes battery to try to start it?

pacojoseph,
It's been since last summer when I replaced my fuel and plugs when the same issue as now came up. (but i didn't have the time to pursue it further -two little girls keeping me busy, lol.)
I had some time this morning and got her to start without the battery (i keep it on a trickle charger that's timed for 4 hours per day if needed.) but, i cannot keep an idle, soon as choke is off, the bike dies. Any ideas? thanks again --phil

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RE: HIGH SPEED TURN OFF ? - 6/23/2007 1:40:45 PM

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It doesn't sound to be a major (expensive) problem since the problem came after storage if I understood you correct. It may even help to put in some fresh fuel and a good portion of carb cleaner. If that doesnt help, I would remove the carbs and clean them. Check the plugs to before digging in the carbs. If ther is a lot of real old fuel in the tank it should med drained aslo.

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RE: HIGH SPEED TURN OFF ? - 6/23/2007 2:35:25 PM

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ORIGINAL: R1000

It doesn't sound to be a major (expensive) problem since the problem came after storage if I understood you correct. It may even help to put in some fresh fuel and a good portion of carb cleaner. If that doesnt help, I would remove the carbs and clean them. Check the plugs to before digging in the carbs. If ther is a lot of real old fuel in the tank it should med drained aslo.

r1000, thanks again for your suggestions, i replaced the plugs last summer and they have no mileage on them as i couldn't keep an idle just like now.
If i let the bike idle with the choke on, i have cleaner in the fuel, would that clean the idle portion of the carbs? - again, thanks

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RE: HIGH SPEED TURN OFF ? - 6/23/2007 5:36:14 PM

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Yes, I would try that. Carb cleaners works best when they are not needed though...If it is a massive carb clogging you need to pull the carbs and clean them by brushes and cleaning spray or pressure air.

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RE: HIGH SPEED TURN OFF ? - 6/23/2007 10:50:17 PM

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If your jets are REALLY clogged like mine were, you could buy the paint bucket full of carb cleaner and let em soak. It comes with a handy dip basket, too. Too bad I (or the wife or kids) lost the $80.00 O-ring and filter set, and didn't realize it till I tore down and soaked the 1st carb. I really wanted to do these 1 at a time so I can get em back together.

But the O-rings have to get passports.

Good luck,

Patrick

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RE: HIGH SPEED TURN OFF ? - 6/23/2007 11:56:53 PM

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Pull out the air cleaner and squirt a little bit of crc into the carbs and try to start it if it starts it is a fuel problem

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RE: HIGH SPEED TURN OFF ? - 6/24/2007 9:46:02 AM

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Thanks all,
I'll try all the suggestions, but I do have the feeling that the only real way of getting the bike to run like it used to will be to take the carbs out and start cleaning!
Thanks

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RE: HIGH SPEED TURN OFF ? - 6/24/2007 7:17:31 PM

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Sounds like the same symptoms I had with my 92F. Engine dies after an extended period at high revs. It was fuel starvation, and I found that the vacuum tube from the #1 carb inlet manifold to the Fuel valve was kinked and the Petcock was not opening fully. Took the outer PVC sleeve off the vacuum tube and found the restriction was caused by the glue that holds the outer sleeve to the vacuum tube where it passed through the retaining fitting on the carb. Removed the outer sleeve, straightened the path of the tube up a bit and now she's as good as gold. Will replace the PVC sleeve with a wire coil sleeve at some stage.

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RE: HIGH SPEED TURN OFF ? - 6/25/2007 9:00:06 AM

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ORIGINAL: schooners

Sounds like the same symptoms I had with my 92F. Engine dies after an extended period at high revs. It was fuel starvation, and I found that the vacuum tube from the #1 carb inlet manifold to the Fuel valve was kinked and the Petcock was not opening fully. Took the outer PVC sleeve off the vacuum tube and found the restriction was caused by the glue that holds the outer sleeve to the vacuum tube where it passed through the retaining fitting on the carb. Removed the outer sleeve, straightened the path of the tube up a bit and now she's as good as gold. Will replace the PVC sleeve with a wire coil sleeve at some stage.

I'll look into that first, before having to take apart the carbs. Thanks for the heads-up.

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RE: HIGH SPEED TURN OFF ? - 6/25/2007 9:28:46 AM

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I also had better luck when I decided to ride with the choke on and try to let it (choke) out while at speed, gradually. I think that helped as much as anything, short of removal. Mine was stored for several years.
Good luck!
Patrick

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RE: HIGH SPEED TURN OFF ? - 6/27/2007 9:49:26 AM

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If it won't run unless the choke is on, it usually is the the pilot jet in the carbs (the smallest ones= easiest to clog). I my exper. you have to pull the carbs, clean the pilots (and the rest of the carb while your there). I use a single strand of wire and lots of carb cleaner and some comp. air. Auto carb/fuel injector cleaner fuel additives won't work and could distort some of the plastic parts in the carb which is a nightmare. I am a big believer in Stabil for any lenght of storage.

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RE: HIGH SPEED TURN OFF ? - 6/27/2007 12:11:06 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: jmc

If it won't run unless the choke is on, it usually is the the pilot jet in the carbs (the smallest ones= easiest to clog). I my exper. you have to pull the carbs, clean the pilots (and the rest of the carb while your there). I use a single strand of wire and lots of carb cleaner and some comp. air. Auto carb/fuel injector cleaner fuel additives won't work and could distort some of the plastic parts in the carb which is a nightmare. I am a big believer in Stabil for any lenght of storage.

Thanks, this is most likely what the cause is. Now, to find the time to do this job is another story.

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RE: HIGH SPEED TURN OFF ? - 6/27/2007 7:28:03 PM

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Removing and cleaning the carbs is a let easier than it sounds. Just get a Hynes Manual and follow the easy step by step. I used CRC Carb cleaner to clean carbs inside/out and the pressure of the cleaner through a spray tube attached to the CRC nozzle was sufficient to do the job. Just don't rush it and don't lose any parts!

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