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1997 Blackbird - 4/24/2006 7:07:25 PM

NCBirdman

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Hey Guys,

Just a quick question.

i was motoroing on the highway on the way to work today at about 60 mph entering a construction zone when my speedometer just dropped to zero.

I had never seen this before but obviously did not feel it was worth the risk to stop and check it out.

I continued on for about for about 1-2 miles when it slowly came back to life, and was fine on the way home.

I checked around the bike before coming home and cannot even find speedo cable. I assume it is an electric sensor somewhere, or maybe even in the drivetran somewhere.

Anyone have any ideas? A friend suggested if it was electric that maybe a magnet in the construction zone could have affected it?

Thanks.

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RE: 1997 Blackbird - 4/25/2006 7:31:34 AM

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tighten the bolts of the battery, check that the cables are properly connected. When speedo needle falls, means that there's no connection to the frame (negative). And do it quickly, 'cause that could burn your cdi module. I had this problem just a couple of week after buying my '98 bird; I remember I had the same sensation as you: slowly backing to life!!

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RE: 1997 Blackbird - 4/25/2006 8:23:00 PM

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Enrique,

Thanks for the suggestion.

I checked the cables, and they were tight. I took of my Battery Tender lead just in case this could have dsitracted the connection.

I tried to track the ground but lost it somewhere under the tank in the middle of the engine compartment.

Do you know where it is grounded? I assume one or more of the covers need to come off?

Also, do you think a low battery could cause the same condition? (I bought the bike used recently and have no idea how old the battery is?)

Thanks,

Spencer

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RE: 1997 Blackbird - 4/25/2006 9:40:38 PM

Hobicus

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If you've had the battery on a tender, I wouldn't think that a low battery would cause the problem.

I second the check on the ground wires. I also suggest disconnecting and reconnecting the speedo sensor.

These may help:

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RE: 1997 Blackbird - 4/29/2006 4:28:30 PM

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Hobicus,

Thanks for the wiring diagram!

I was riding home last night and it did it again (I did NOT have the problem on the 30 mile ride to work in the AM). In fact was almost home running 70mph trying not to get run over by the semis and the speedo and tach. went to 0, though the bike seemed to run ok.

I took off the w/shield, and the 2 inner faircovers on both sides of the dash to check for loose/kinked wires, but could not find any. I thought maybe my bar risers could have something to do with putting too much strain, on the wiring so lowered them a bit.

(Then I tried to start the bike and it would not turn over all the way, like a dead battery. Man, I'm blessed not have been stuck at work on a Friday afternoon so far from home.)

Ah, now we're getting somewhere, I hoped. I took the battery to local Honda dealer and they load tested it and it failed.

I purchased a new fresh identical Yuasa and installed it. The bike fired up great-all electrical seems to work ok, but the true test will be another 60 miles home to work round trip on the freeway.

I'll let you know for sure. The Honda dealer mechanic kind of scratched his head, never heard of my problem before. He did think it might have something to do with the alarm that is installed, but not actively fully connected-he said bike alrms wreak havoc on electrical systems.

Thansk.

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RE: 1997 Blackbird - 5/1/2006 9:07:56 PM

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I would suggest that you also do a simple charging system test. Both the Regulator/Rectifier and the Stator on the bird have occasional problems, especially the Reg/Rect.

If you have an electical meter, put it on the battery, start the bike, and crack the throttle. The voltage should come up from 12ish to 14ish... but not go over 14. If it goes to 16 plus, it's the reg/rect overcharging the battery. If it doesn't go up from 12... it's the stator.

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RE: 1997 Blackbird - 5/2/2006 8:06:08 PM

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Update:

Well, yesterday everything was perfect. However, for a brief time the speedo and then tach dropped to zero again on the way home. (not re-assuring when coming thru a narrow contruction zone in heavy freeway traffic and tractor trailers stacked up behind me running 65+)

Anyway, I took an exit and I knew something was definetely wrong with the electrical-dash lights dim, etc.

I arrived at my destination and called the same Honda tech who I bought the battery from 3 days ago. He concurred with Hobicus, a charging test was needed to determine which part is needed.

I hope to have this done tomorrow, then will let you know.

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RE: 1997 Blackbird - 5/3/2006 7:11:52 PM

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Update #2:

Took the bike to dealer. They used meter, and the system was charging correctly-no direct sign of failure of Rectifier/Regular, or Stator. They could not find the problem, but suspected it could be a ground failure or partial failure anywhere in the bike. He said that it could be anywhere.

I think I will leave it with him and let him do some checking around as I about due for some service anyway. I think I'll ask him to remove the alarm as well, as it came with the bike but is inoperable which could be causing/contrbuting to the problem.

I'll keep you all posted.

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RE: 1997 Blackbird - 5/3/2006 7:13:34 PM

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RE: 1997 Blackbird - 5/5/2006 11:49:36 AM

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Any updates?

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RE: 1997 Blackbird - 5/5/2006 10:06:56 PM

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Update #3:

The bike was at the dealer, and he checked with Honda Rep, no similar problems had been reported.

He was planning on tear the bike apart beginning with the front end (Nose) and examining the tach/speedo and working his way backwards. He again felt if I rode until the part failed, it could be diagnosed quickly and easily. I agreed to do this as my friend said this AM he would loan me his meter to carry around to test it when it acted up.

I went to p/up the bike this PM, and blessedly the tech tested the new battery 1 more time as I was preparing to leave. This time the charging was inadequate, 12 range at 3-4k+ rpm. He diagnosed the problem as a Rectifier/Regulator. He could not explain why this did not happen 2 days ago, he has not seen the part fail intermittenly on this bike before.

Anyway, I hate to say it but I am very happy-at least I know the problem and it can be repaired relatively easily.

Part is on order, it should back on the road sometime next week.

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RE: 1997 Blackbird - 5/10/2006 6:42:01 PM

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On the cbr1100XX.org site, the regulator/rectifier is a known problem on the 97/98 Birds. Once the updated to EFI, they also upgraded the Stator and Reg/Rect.

You should also have him check each lead on the Stator. Low voltage is often the sign of a stator problem, which is has also had problems on the older models.

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RE: 1997 Blackbird - 5/13/2006 5:25:33 PM

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Hobicus-thanks for the suggestion. The bike is still in the shop-wtg on the reg/rectifier part. I asked the dealer to check the Stator when they replace the reg/rectifier, and he said he would and that they do so normally. I also asked him to give the battery a top off charge as well since the I bought the battery from them as well.

I'll keep you updated on future developments-once I get her back and hit the road.

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RE: 1997 Blackbird - 5/25/2006 8:54:17 PM

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Update #4:

OK, bike came back fm the shop. I have riden about 200 miles since the new Rect/Regulator was installed, everything works great-no electrical glitches-so I guess problem solved.

Thanks for everyone for their suggestions/help.

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