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RE: suspension and air - 5/1/2006 10:56:50 AM
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Tahoe SC
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yo mang...doesn't sound like you set this up to your weight...to set it up properly, you'll need to measure the static sag and a whole mess of other stuff.
as far as nitrogen...your tire gets way hotter than 92 degrees mang...and that's what changes pressure most.
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RE: suspension and air - 5/1/2006 10:28:30 PM
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13brsxsrr
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1) Weight and personal feel and to get technical my favorite part " A WHOLE MESS OF OTHER STUFF" WHO ARE YOU? 2) By the way Mang nitrogen doesn't change its molecular weight changing its density untill -350F and over 350F so If you knew what's up YOU'D BE PRETTY SURE THAT TIRES DON'T GET THAT HOT EVER! 3) Race teams in Formula one and probably other motor sports run N2 in there tires which get hotter than 90 degrees on a TRACK. 4) If your tires get that hot on the street your either running to low of a pressure or trying to kill yourself cornering. So like I said it should stay the same from a 32 degree day to 92 degree day w/out a drop or increase in pressure.
If I didn't know better I could swear you knew everything MANG. For everyone else who's not DICK trying to pick apart a post I got my powers today Yeahhh!!! Time slide down the street or pretend like mang to slide down the track.
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RE: suspension and air - 5/1/2006 11:20:20 PM
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DThompson
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Hey man,
Now dont be gettin all picky mouthin off to Tahoe, He is just giving you some information and im pretty sure he was only meaning to help you with some of his advice, no need to pick at the way he talks.
Tahoe does know quite a bit, but no one knows everything, just let it slide.
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RE: suspension and air - 5/2/2006 12:14:55 AM
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13brsxsrr
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quote:
ORIGINAL: DThompson
Hey man,
Now dont be gettin all picky mouthin off to Tahoe, He is just giving you some information and im pretty sure he was only meaning to help you with some of his advice, no need to pick at the way he talks.
Tahoe does know quite a bit, but no one knows everything, just let it slide.
NOOOO, NOOOO, NOOOO!!!!!!! He's not trying to help, he thinks he's cool. He's left some poor feed back on one of prior post so If thinks He knows something he can IM me not leave "yo mang...doesn't sound like you set this up to your weight...to set it up properly, you'll need to measure the static sag and a whole mess of other stuff."
DThompson I'm not being an asshole. I read a few of post that I do let my feelings get the better of me when people get hurt/killed or ripped off you know because that's not cool when others have a crass, oh well, good ridence attitude about it like they deserved it. I do let alot of things slide on post that are just beyond reality or the truth gets "stretched".
BUT I JUST DON'T LIKE THIS GUY'S ATTITUDE!
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RE: suspension and air - 5/2/2006 10:50:10 AM
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Tahoe SC
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ok...i take it you didn't like me saying that you didn't set it up properly...so had i IM'd you it would've been different? so what you're saying is that my post condescended you? in that case i do apologize...because that was not my intention. But by no means...attack me and my character in this public forum...it's called slander...because none of what you typed is true. i don't not think i'm cool...nor any of that stuff.
now about the nitrogen thing...yea i know about it and even costco puts it in their tires now...but tracks get well over 92 degrees...more like 112 to 120...so should the tire pressure remain unaffected by the use of nitrogen???? that was my point...not that using nitrogen is bad, etc. yes, if i had it in my local pump, i'd use it.
who am i? good question...i'm not sure either...but a better question would be who are you to ask who i am? this is who i am, i give out advice that i know from personal experience and racer friends, mechanics, etc and that's that...i love God first and foremost, i love my wife, my soon to be kid, family, job, life, etc...i'm on the forums passing on information about riding, techniques, etc. so that i know that i have done my part in helping someone out and making sure that people are informed...to reduce the chance that someone will do something wrong out there and have a horrific accident, etc...
now who are you? let's see...i can go on and on and i can also call you names like you called me names, knowing nothing about you, and gather based on your posts what kind of a person you are, how long you've been riding, etc....but i will not do that.
so what will i do? instead...i will invite you to come out and spend the day with me riding, eating, playing xbox, etc....so you know what type of person i am and what kind of attitude i have towards life, etc...and hopefully, pass on some vital riding information and tech information to you. but you'll need to come out here...because i'm not the one asking the question "who are you"...
yes, many of my previous posts speak truth without love and i'm sure some people have been hurt by it...or offended by it...but see...in a bike forum...that doesn't really get anywhere...and using strong words seem to get through the ego very fast...and the reason i'm on here...is to prevent riders from passing away as a member of my riding group did almost a year ago.
now harsh reality mang...if you need to defend yourself of being an "arsehole" when no one has called you that...then my brother...you most likely were being one. re-read everything...from your post to mine and then yours...you were a bit harsh now weren't you?
AND PLEASE...DO NOT USE MANG to condescend me...
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RE: suspension and air - 5/2/2006 2:36:14 PM
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dwhite645
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Will the tire remain constant with pressure when filled with nitrogen longer than with air? The reason I ask is when I worked for Nike, the air bags that are in the heel of Nike air shoes, Air Max and so forth are filled with nitrogen before they are sealed and we had to extrude the airbag plastic material with several layers of dense plastic so they would retain pressure. The nitrogen was escaping through the microscopic pores of the bag and loosing pressure over time.
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RE: suspension and air - 5/2/2006 3:20:42 PM
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+1 Tahoe...
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RE: suspension and air - 5/2/2006 3:28:57 PM
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Tahoe SC
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nitrogen in tires is supposed to keep pressure more constants and unlike just regular old compressed air with O2 and even water in the form of vapors in the mix, it won't corrode the inside of the tires...but i don't think that is of concern since most riders wear out the outsides of the tires faster than the insides.
airplanes, etc. use them, but also they are pumped to much higher pressures and operate at a wider range of temperatures...say high up in the atmosphere where it's REALLY cold, then back down to ground temps, etc. there is some saying of the nitrogen molecules being bigger than O2 thus less leaks through the pores, etc...but i'm not sure exactly how much is lost to this. i'd be more worried about the pricky neighborhood kid letting air out of the tires or a slow leak in the valve stem or something like that.
If you can get it, i would use it. if not then it's no biggy...race teams use them...as every little bit counts for them, with nitrogen at the top of the list, then dry air, then just regular old compressed air. it can also decrease the weight of the tire as there is no moisture or any of that stuff in the mix.
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RE: suspension and air - 5/2/2006 8:00:21 PM
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13brsxsrr
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Got your reply, My bad that I took your harsh words as harsh ego know it all attitude but... I do have a tendency to feel (for lack of a better way to put it) on edge especially from you and the way you type things can be put better. People of all ages and back grounds married w/ kids or not can still be respondsible or act like fools. Most of my back ground I like to keep private but I've been a tech(car & motorcycle) for many years more recently cars pays better. But to each their own. Ten people can ride my, yours, everyone elses bike and you'll get ten different responses on likes/dislikes. Stock has it's bases and you tune from their, personal taste not just weight.
Long story short sorry, just be a little easy when people aren't their to fully understand what your talking aboutand how your saying it.
dwhite645 Tahoe is right and if you tend to let your ride sit for extended periods of time w/out movement they will dry rot. Putting 2-3k mi a year isn't enough especialy if the rides are close together. As long as the tire is seated correct barring/puncter leaks N2 will retain their pressure/properties longer than compressed air.
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