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Technique Question: Hard Acceleration - 5/5/2006 10:02:13 AM

Jet Jockey Z06 Vette

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OK, getting the feel of a bike back pretty fast - but have some questions:

1. What happens if I power out of a turn, the rear loses grip just a little and begins to step to the side?

In my mind, if I let off too abruptly, the weight transfers back towards the front, the rear gets lighter at first, but then regains traction - isn't aligned with front & a potential HIGH side can develop. Is this true?

If I power on a bit more, I tend to lose more grip in the rear, the potential for a LOW side occurs - correct?

So if I'm powering pretty hard out of a turn, rear steps out a little, it becomes a fine line between keeping the throttle on enough to keep things about as they are until you hook up in more of a straight line - right? Smooth, steady throttle control, maybe back off JUST a touch - but just a little touch right?

Thanks!

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RE: Technique Question: Hard Acceleration - 5/5/2006 10:08:55 AM

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yes vette your pretty much correct in your understanding of the kinematics, however you should not "back off the throttle" if you start to step the rear out, rather you should focus on maintaining the throttle position.

I'm pretty much quoting keith code here because I just got done reading twist of the wrist II and he explains it really well... Correct cornering technique is to "roll on" the throttle after the intitial turn in to help stabalize the bike and maintain your line. You should not be hitting the apex and gunning it, rather you should have steady throttle control and "roll on" the throttle gently to bring the power on and get a nice fast exit out of the corner. IF by chance you get a little greedy with it and break traction, simply stop rolling on the throttle. this does not mean to cut the throttle, rather just stop advancing it, then as you begin to lean the bike up on the exit the rear will stabalize itself and regain traction the more upright you become.

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RE: Technique Question: Hard Acceleration - 5/5/2006 10:11:43 AM

Jet Jockey Z06 Vette

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Excellent! Thx Soda! I'm going to look for his book. Got any online suggestions of where to buy it?

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RE: Technique Question: Hard Acceleration - 5/5/2006 10:19:09 AM

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picked up TTW II at borders... like 20 bucks. probably amazon would be the best if your not in a hurry.

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RE: Technique Question: Hard Acceleration - 5/5/2006 1:38:53 PM

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"When in doubt, gas it!" However, our survival reactions tell us to chop the throttle, which will induce a high-side.

You are practicing these techniques on the track right?

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RE: Technique Question: Hard Acceleration - 5/5/2006 1:44:47 PM

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You are practicing these techniques on the track right?

yeah, like I said in the other thread take it to the track and you'll learn this stuff pretty quick, a track school will teach you a ton

your question has already been anwered though, chopping the throttle will most likely cause a highside and gassing too much may cause a lowside, try to be smooth and above all else DON'T PANIC

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RE: Technique Question: Hard Acceleration - 5/5/2006 2:58:04 PM

Jet Jockey Z06 Vette

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Appreciate it all. Haven't been to the track yet. Just have had the bike for 1 month. Doing a little practise on some very rural roads where I can see a long way in both directions to make sure no traffic coming (it's NOT a blind corner at all). I ride carefully through the corner, then turn around & come back through it over and over just gaining a feel for the bike at different speeds & different lines through the corner. Again, nothing radical or truly fast, and no traffic whatsoever -- I check each time.

I only felt the back end step out slightly just once yesterday. It was very slight.

Thanks all,

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RE: Technique Question: Hard Acceleration - 5/6/2006 12:36:23 PM

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DISCLAIMER...............I'M NOT TELLING YOU OR ANYONE ELSE TO TRY THIS but just wait. Power out of corner just right and the front wheel will come off the ground sideways and start to stairghten out the bike on the way up. The first time it happen I wasn't trying to do it. I'm not even going to lie, lean overed, on the gas, and it started coming up. Got me a little shock but just rode it out. The wheel might have came up 18-20" just don't upset the balance of the bike. To hell w/ clutching it up, I love the feeling of coming out of a corner on one wheel under pure accelaration!

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RE: Technique Question: Hard Acceleration - 5/6/2006 1:11:00 PM

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I got it up to 10-o-clock in second gear doing that once...

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RE: Technique Question: Hard Acceleration - 5/6/2006 3:56:08 PM

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Yep, i'll agree with most of the above. I use the old position, speed, gear technique for when approaching corners at a decent kind of speed. But i will say that being in the right gear for the corner is v important as the bike will be steadied on the way in & on the way out.

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RE: Technique Question: Hard Acceleration - 5/7/2006 1:11:43 AM

Jet Jockey Z06 Vette

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Good points Philly. What are you looking for for RPM for right gear selection on an RR?

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RE: Technique Question: Hard Acceleration - 5/7/2006 10:18:56 AM

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quote:

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Yep, i'll agree with most of the above. I use the old position, speed, gear technique for when approaching corners at a decent kind of speed. But i will say that being in the right gear for the corner is v important as the bike will be steadied on the way in & on the way out.

Being as smooth as possible getting on the gas is important too and not ham fisting the throttle...roll it on as you exit...

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RE: Technique Question: Hard Acceleration - 5/8/2006 12:25:49 AM

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My bike never leaves the ground when powering out of a turn, I'm usually in fith with -1+2 gears and going between 80 and 90. that reminds me I got a new camera and mount I'll show you a ride looks different when I am sitting at the desk watching. Also I have spent quite a bit of time messing with the suspension and have found that the right setup keeps the bike feeling very stable in all aspects of riding. havn't lost traction yet and never had the front leav the ground of course I am 220 and gaining.

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RE: Technique Question: Hard Acceleration - 5/8/2006 11:15:41 AM

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I have highsided....I don't recommend doing it it's a

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RE: Technique Question: Hard Acceleration - 5/8/2006 1:40:16 PM

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I'll go along with philly to say that proper gear selection is crucial going into a corner, but on the street with stock gearing you can pretty much go into just about any corner in first if you really want to (it redlines at 70). Focus more on keeping the bike stable through the entry and apex of the corner and then worry about coming out harder and harder.

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